Luis von Ahn, founder of reCAPTCHA and Duolingo, discusses the creation of CAPTCHA to combat spam, the evolution of Duolingo, and the power of crowdsourcing. The episode also explores his choice to decline an offer from Bill Gates and the challenges of monetization in the podcast industry.
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Quick takeaways
CAPTCHA was initially developed to solve the problem of automated bot sign-ups and spam
Duolingo found success by transitioning from advertising to a freemium subscription model
Duolingo aims to improve language teaching methods and expand into other educational areas
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Building CAPTCHA and Duolingo
Luis Von Ahn, a professor at Carnegie Mellon University, created CAPTCHA, a tool that uses distorted characters to distinguish between humans and computers. He then developed the idea of using these distorted characters as a way to crowdsource the digitization of books. Collaborating with Ben Moore, they created a platform that offered free language learning while simultaneously translating texts using the wisdom of the crowd. This led to the launch of Duolingo, an app that quickly became the most downloaded education app of its time.
Challenges and Funding
Despite the rapid growth and popularity of Duolingo, monetization proved difficult. They struggled to generate revenue from translation contracts and decided to cancel them. Raising significant funding from investors, including Google's Capital G, sustained the company. However, a partner at Capital G warned Luis that they needed a plan to make money. This led to a sense of urgency to find a sustainable business model.
The Path to Monetization
Initially resistant to charging users, Luis eventually realized the need to generate revenue to sustain Duolingo's growth and impact. They explored various options but ultimately decided to introduce a subscription model called Duolingo Plus, offering additional features and an ad-free experience. This allowed them to generate revenue while still offering free language education to millions around the world.
Duolingo: Language education for free
Duolingo is a language learning app that provides free language education. The company was founded by Luis Bonon and Severin Hacker, and they sought to create a sustainable business model for offering language education at no cost. Initially, Duolingo relied on advertising as a source of revenue, but they soon discovered that subscriptions were more profitable. Currently, about 3% of their 40 million monthly active users are paying subscribers. Duolingo's goal is to help users achieve an intermediate level of proficiency in the language they are learning, which is a level known as B2. The app incorporates gamification elements and personalized notifications to keep users motivated and engaged. Despite some criticism, Duolingo has surpassed competitors like Rosetta Stone in terms of user base and revenue.
The journey of Duolingo
Duolingo's success story began when Luis Bonon and Severin Hacker started the company as a side hustle while they were still academically involved with Carnegie Mellon University. Initially, they used the same model as Recaptcha, where users help digitize content while learning a language. However, they had to pivot their business model due to funding requirements and the need to generate sustainable revenue. The inclusion of ads and freemium subscription options brought financial success. Although the company faced criticisms about language proficiency levels, Duolingo aims to continue improving its teaching methods and expand into other educational areas, such as children's literacy. Going forward, their objective is to go public and further enhance their impact while maintaining their emphasis on providing free language education.
In 2000, Luis von Ahn was starting his PhD in computer science when he attended a talk and happened to learn about one of Yahoo's biggest problems: automated bots were signing up for millions of free Yahoo email accounts, and generating tons of spam. Luis' idea to solve this problem became CAPTCHA, the squiggly letters we type into a website to prove we're human. He gave away that idea for free, but years later, that same idea had evolved into a new way to monetize language learning on the web, and became Duolingo. Today, Duolingo is a publicly-traded company with a market cap of $9 billion.
This episode was produced by Casey Herman, with music composed by Ramtin Arablouei. It was edited by Neva Grant.