Karl Vaters and Gary Garcia have worked together at the same church for 29 years. For the first 25 years Karl was the lead pastor. For the last 4 years Gary has been the lead pastor.

This is the first of two episodes with them. In the next one they will talk about everything surrounding the pastoral transition, but in this episode they talk about

• How to stay in ministry long-term
• How to stay fresh while in the same church
• How to work together well
• Advice for those wanting to stay strong in ministry for the long haul

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