This podcast features a discussion between Rob Cairns and Tim Nash about cybersecurity predictions for 2025. **AI's increasing role in both offensive and defensive cybersecurity** is a major topic, with concerns raised about AI-powered phishing scams and the accelerated exploitation of vulnerabilities. The conversation also **addresses the challenges in the WordPress plugin ecosystem**, including abandoned plugins and the need for improved update notifications and distribution mechanisms. Finally, they **discuss the evolution of multi-factor authentication**, highlighting the trade-offs between security and user experience, and the weaponization of security vulnerabilities by some vendors. The overall tone is one of concern about the increasing sophistication of cyberattacks and the need for improved security practices for small businesses in particular.