In an alternate universe, we’d be cheering in front of our TVs right now. Because the Olympics would be on. So while we wait for Tokyo 2021, we sat down with someone who knows a thing or two about winning a gold medal: Abby Wambach. She won two while she played for the US Women’s National Team. And the soccer star hasn’t slowed down in retirement. She’s now a bestselling author and an equal pay activist.

In this episode, Abby shares what it was like to play with her idols, including Mia Hamm (12:45), how she’s developed her leadership style on and off the field (19:33), and why one night at the ESPY awards changed the direction of her retirement (27:49).

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Abby Wambach: “If you're not a good leader on the bench, you cannot call yourself a good leader on the field.”