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Brené Brown on the State of Leadership in America Today

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Oct 9, 2025
Brené Brown, a renowned researcher and bestselling author, joins to discuss transformative leadership from her latest work, 'Strong Ground.' She warns against the pitfalls of 'power over' leadership and emphasizes the importance of vulnerability and courage. The conversation delves into AI's impact on human connection and the complexity of modern leadership amidst uncertainty. Brené critiques the traditional corporate mindset, highlighting the need for ethical, long-term stewardship while exploring how humiliation can undermine leadership integrity.
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INSIGHT

Power Over Vs Power With

  • Power-over leadership relies on keeping people afraid to maintain control and requires cruelty to remind people what's at stake.
  • Power-with and power-to leadership view power as infinite and grow influence by sharing it.
ANECDOTE

Soldiers And Seahawks On Courage

  • At Fort Bragg Special Forces and the Seattle Seahawks, no one could name courage without vulnerability.
  • A soldier concluded there is no example of courage that doesn't require vulnerability.
ADVICE

Settle The Ball Before Acting

  • Slow down and "settle the ball" before acting when faced with AI or strategic uncertainty.
  • Cultivate anticipatory, situational, temporal, and self-awareness before making decisions.
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