Luis von Ahn, CEO and co-founder of Duolingo, discusses returning to the office, hiring strategies, growing up in Guatemala, language education, and public speaking tips.
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Duolingo emphasizes the value of in-person work and traditional schools for socialization and personal development.
Duolingo's success in language learning is attributed to its focus on motivation and creating engaging learning experiences.
Being outgoing and embracing imperfection significantly affects language learning outcomes.
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Duolingo's Mission to Transform Education
Duolingo was founded with the goal of transforming education, making a positive impact on learners' lives. Unlike social networks that quickly gain popularity, education requires a long-term commitment to see significant change. The company takes a long view and focuses on creating a product that keeps learners motivated, addressing the biggest challenge in self-guided learning.
The Importance of In-Person Work and School
Duolingo's CEO emphasizes the value of in-person work and traditional schools. While technology and remote learning have their place, he believes that in-person interaction fosters socialization and contributes to being a well-rounded individual. While he recognizes the value of learning outside of school, he believes that attending school and connecting with peers are valuable experiences for personal and social development.
The Power of Motivation in Learning
Duolingo's success in language learning can be attributed to its focus on motivation. The company recognizes that staying motivated is the most challenging aspect of self-guided learning and aims to keep learners engaged and invested. By creating a product that is not only educational but also enjoyable, Duolingo keeps learners motivated to achieve their language learning goals.
Importance of Engaging Learning Experiences
Creating engaging learning experiences is crucial for effective education. It is not enough to simply teach information; the key is to keep learners engaged and motivated. Examples of this approach include using chatbots that interact with learners in unconventional ways, such as getting angry or doing strange things during conversational practice. By making the learning process more interactive and engaging, learners are more likely to stay committed and actively participate.
The Impact of Outgoingness on Language Learning
Outgoingness and a willingness to take risks with one's language skills significantly affect language learning outcomes. Individuals who are outgoing and comfortable with sounding less than perfect have an advantage when learning a new language. These individuals are more likely to engage in conversation and practice speaking, even if their accent or vocabulary is not yet perfect. On the other hand, individuals who are self-conscious about sounding dumb may face difficulty in language learning and lack the practice needed to improve their skills. This insight highlights the importance of embracing imperfection and being willing to communicate despite initial challenges when learning a language.
Guest: Luis von Ahn, CEO and co-founder of Duolingo
When Luis von Ahn wanted to go to college in the United States, he had to take a standardized test called the TOEFL, or Test of English as a Foreign Language. But there was nowhere in his home country of Guatemala that could accommodate another test-taker, so he flew to war-torn El Salvador, just to take the TOEFL. Many years later, as the co-founder and CEO of Duolingo, Luis and his team “decided this type of thing, we could do a lot better.” Today, more than 4,500 universities accept the results of the online Duolingo English Test — a boon for the estimated 2 billion people currently learning English around the world.
In this episode, Luis and Joubin discuss returning to the office, Carnegie Mellon, identifying strivers, the “Luis dashboard,” ignoring Reddit, pre-meetings, the hardest part of learning, sounding dumb, private security, the job of a professor, digitizing books, working out every day, April Fools’ campaigns, Duo the owl, and hiring nice people.
In this episode, we cover:
Working in Pittsburgh, in-person (00:57)
How Duolingo hires (06:48)
Growing up in Guatemala (10:29)
Luis’ parents, intelligence, and drive (12:09)
His morning routine (16:56)
Ground truth (19:39)
“The smaller the team, the better” (22:29)
Language education and human behavior (24:32)
Learning English (28:53)
Back to Guatemala (32:03)
CAPTCHA and reCAPTCHA (36:10)
Money vs. impact (41:26)
Luis’ TEDx Talk and public speaking tips (44:46)
Love Language and nontraditional marketing (48:46)
Doubling down on what works (53:27)
Slow hiring (56:44)
Would Luis ever start something new? (59:28)
Who Duolingo is hiring and what “grit” means to Luis (01:01:46)