
Behind the Bastards CZM Rewind: The Zizians: How Harry Potter Fanfic Inspired a Death Cult & The Zizians: Birth of a Cult Leader
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Dec 30, 2025 David Gborie, a journalist focused on fringe movements, delves into the unsettling origins of the Zizians, a group tied to a tragic Border Patrol shooting. They unravel their roots in Bay Area rationalist subculture and discuss how Harry Potter fanfic influenced their ideology. Gborie shares insights on Ziz LaSota's alarming transformation from an aspiring idealist to a cult leader driven by dark thought experiments. The conversation explores the merging of rationalism, veganism, and radical beliefs, revealing chilling dynamics behind their rise.
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Rationalism Fueled Cultish Violence
- The Zizians emerged from a niche online rationalist subculture that combined game-theory thought experiments with tech culture.
- Their beliefs mutated into cult-like dynamics that helped justify violence, not clear political goals.
Watch For Early Cult Dynamics
- Recognize that cult dynamics exist on a spectrum and some community bonding is harmless.
- But monitor for love-bombing, language control, and isolation as red flags indicating dangerous cult drift.
Rationality As Mental 'Tech'
- Eliezer Yudkowsky and Less Wrong framed rationality as a mental tech that could produce 'superpower' thinking.
- That framing produced messianic language and hero narratives that attracted vulnerable people.








