Veganism, Tomasik, and Longtermism

Part One: Earlier this year a Border Patrol officer was killed in a shoot-out with people who have been described as members of a trans vegan AI death cult. But who are the Zizians, really? Robert sits down with David Gborie to trace their development, from part of the Bay Area Rationalist subculture to killers.

Part Two: Robert tells David Gborie about the early life of Ziz LaSota, a bright young girl from Alaska who came to the Bay Area with dreams of saving the cosmos or destroying it, all based on her obsession with Rationalist blogs and fanfic.

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1. https://medium.com/@sefashapiro/a-community-warning-about-ziz-76c100180509
2. https://web.archive.org/web/20230201130318/https://sinceriously.fyi/rationalist-fleet/
3. https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/infohazard
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5. Wayback Machine
6. The Zizians
7. Spectral Sight
8. True Hero Contract
9. Schelling Orders – Sinceriously
10. Glossary – Sinceriously
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18. according to The Boston Globe
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20. Silicon Valley ‘Rationalists’ Linked to 6 Deaths
21. The Delirious, Violent, Impossible True Story of the Zizians | WIRED
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23. Glossary – Sinceriously
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28. This guy thinks killing video game characters is immoral | Vox
29. Inadequate Equilibria: Where and How Civilizations Get Stuck
30. Eliezer Yudkowsky comments on On Terminal Goals and Virtue Ethics - LessWrong 2.0 viewer                                                                                                   
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32. SquirrelInHell: Happiness Is a Chore
33. PLUM OF DISCORD — I Became a Full-time Internet Pest and May Not...
34. Roko Harassment of PlumOfDiscord Composited – Sinceriously
35. Intersex Brains And Conceptual Warfare – Sinceriously
36. Infohazardous Glossary – Sinceriously
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38. The Matrix is a System – Sinceriously
39. A community alert about Ziz. Police investigations, violence, and… | by SefaShapiro | Medium
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42. PLUM OF DISCORD (Posts tagged cw-abuse)
43. Timeline: Violence surrounding the Zizians leading to Border Patrol agent shooting

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