Dan Heath, author of 'Upstream', discusses the importance of leadership and preventative work, reducing the need for heroes. They also explore the significance of measuring success, integration, upstream thinking, and data-driven decision-making. The interview concludes with sponsor acknowledgment.
Organizations should prioritize upstream thinking and proactive problem-solving to prevent issues before they occur.
Assigning ownership and rewarding individuals who prevent crises is crucial for cultivating a proactive problem-solving culture within organizations.
Deep dives
Importance of Preventative Problem-Solving
In this podcast episode, Dan Heath discusses the significance of solving problems before they happen. He emphasizes the need for organizations to adopt a proactive approach and design systems that prevent issues from occurring. Heath provides examples such as Expedia's call center problem, where they tackled the high number of customers calling for itineraries. He highlights the challenge of upstream thinking and the importance of finding owners for preventing problems, even if it requires integration across different silos within an organization.
The Role of Ownership in Upstream Thinking
Dan Heath explores the concept of ownership in preventing problems before they arise. He illustrates how companies often struggle to assign responsibility for upstream issues and lack an owner for such problems. Heath presents the case of Expedia's itinerary request calls, where it took a CEO-level intervention to address the problem. He stresses the need to heroize individuals who prevent crises and suggests that organizations should create a systematic approach for ownership, ensuring incentives are aligned and that people are rewarded for proactive problem-solving.
Measurement Schemes and Incentives in Upstream Thinking
The podcast delves into the importance of smart measurement schemes and incentives in upstream thinking. Dan Heath highlights the potential pitfalls of using the wrong measurement systems that can hinder problem prevention efforts. In the case of Expedia's call center, he explains how inappropriate measurement schemes led to a massive number of unnecessary calls. Additionally, he emphasizes the need for organizations to find the right measurement schemes that align short-term, tangible measures with long-term goals. Heath suggests that organizations should heroize proactive problem-solvers and consider the importance of proper measurement and incentives in promoting upstream thinking.
In today's episode, we conclude the conversation with Dan Heath, author of a new book , Upstream.
In this part 2 of the interview, Dan talks about quality of leadership and giving more praise to those leaders who solve for disaster before it happens and reduce the need of heroes to save the day when the system breaks.
If you missed part 1 of the interview with Dan, be sure to go back and check that out. in which we kicked off the with Dan, discussing preventative work over reactive work among teams.
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