This Is Not A Drill with Gavin Esler

Trump, Putin and the fate of Ukraine – Where next?

Aug 20, 2025
Keir Giles, a Russia expert from Chatham House and author of 'Who Will Defend Europe?', shares his insights on the implications of the recent Trump-Putin summit for Ukraine. He discusses the chaotic diplomatic efforts from Europe and the U.S., highlighting the uncertain outcomes of negotiations. The conversation dives into Ukraine's strategic maneuvers for military aid and critiques the impasse in U.S.-Russia relations. Giles emphasizes the importance of understanding Ukraine's perspective amidst the geopolitical challenges and ongoing support dynamics.
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INSIGHT

Agreements Are Largely Unclear

  • Neither the Alaska summit nor the Washington meetings produced clear, verifiable agreements.
  • Keir Giles warns that headlines outpace substance and details remain unknown.
ANECDOTE

Witkoff's Moscow Misreads

  • Steve Witkoff misinterpreted Russian intentions after visiting Moscow and returned with confused claims.
  • Keir Giles and Oz Katerji portray Witkoff as often garbling messages between sides.
INSIGHT

Chaos Undermines Negotiation Credibility

  • The US team's chaotic approach undermines credible diplomacy with Russia.
  • Keir Giles describes the process as amateurish and often improvised.
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