In this crossover episode, Jeremy and Jess join up with Chris & Jason from Remote Ruby podcast to discuss Ruby programming, indie development, and the challenges of building and maintaining software as solo developers. We dive into the origins of Indie Rails, share our individual career journeys, and explore Jeremy's project, Liminal, which aims to replace traditional forums and Slack with a more modern solution. The group reflects on the frustrations with current platforms, their experiences with indie development, and the importance of marketing alongside coding. They also compare Rails and Laravel, talk about the "one-person framework" concept, and the challenges in maintaining open-source libraries. Throughout the conversation, they emphasize the value of transparency in product development and the need for community support. They wrap up with thoughts on the importance of events like Rails Hackathons and the continued evolution of Rails for solo developers. Hit download now to hear more!