The podcast explores the Stoic stance on enjoyment and rational control, discussing whether participating in enjoyable activities is unstoic. They also delve into the significance of gut health and how it can support overall wellbeing. The concept of prokoptôn and making choices with oneself in mind is explored, highlighting the importance of imperfection in stoicism. Additionally, they discuss the concept of making choices in accordance with Stoic principles and considering the alignment with reason.
There is a tension between personal fulfillment and societal expectations in Stoicism.
While doing something you enjoy is not unstoic, it should consider the well-being of oneself, others, and the wider community.
Deep dives
The Discrepancy Between Grand Visions and Actual Reality
Many people start with grand visions for their lives, envisioning themselves as world explorers, successful business owners, or teachers of virtuous philosophers. However, the reality often falls short of these grand dreams. Epictetus, a stoic philosopher, also faced a teaching position that didn't align with his ideal, as he ended up teaching business students philosophy instead of serious philosophy students. This disconnect between aspirations and reality is a common experience. While stoicism teaches contentment with one's lot, it can be disheartening to end up doing something one genuinely dislikes. For example, aspiring artists may end up as investment portfolio managers, feeling like sellouts. This highlights the tension between personal fulfillment and societal expectations.
The Question of Doing Things Just for Enjoyment
A listener named Sally asked whether doing something simply because you enjoy it is unstoic. This question was surprising since it was expected to be the opposite, exploring whether doing something you don't enjoy for the greater good is unstoic. The answer is no, it is not unstoic to do something you enjoy. However, there are caveats. For instance, indulging in recreational substances like marijuana, cocaine, or alcohol, solely for pleasure, contradicts stoic principles. Stoics aim to retain control of their rational faculty and avoid any activities that compromise it. While the sage, the ideal stoic, would never partake in such substances, imperfect stoics (or "procoptons") may make mistakes but should still strive to align their actions with stoic teachings.
Balancing Personal Enjoyment with Duties and Considerations
The pursuit of personal enjoyment should consider the well-being of oneself, others, and the larger community. While imperfection is an inherent reality, it is important to approach life in ways that benefit all circles of concern. Choosing a job you enjoy, even if it is not directly serving the cosmopolis (the wider community), can still be justified if it does not harm others. However, it becomes unstoic when personal preferences neglect the welfare of others or disregard one's rational faculty. Stoics must strike a balance between personal fulfillment and considering the needs of the community, making reasoned choices that align with both. It is crucial to remember that perfection is unattainable, and being an imperfect stoic is part of the journey toward virtue.