Guest Susan Sontag, writer and critic, discusses her opposition to interpretation in art and criticism. The podcast explores how her argument can be applied to contemporary politics and the appeal of Donald Trump. It also touches on Sontag's influences, her transition from essayist to fiction writer, and the significance of knowing when to cease discussions.
Susan Sontag's essay 'Against Interpretation' criticizes the over-analysis of art, emphasizing the importance of experiencing the art itself.
The essay highlights the significance of form and experience in art and politics, arguing that excessive interpretation hinders true understanding and appreciation.
Deep dives
The Power of Titles
In this episode, the importance of essay titles is discussed, with examples ranging from "Mountains" to "Against Interpretation". The impact of a title on the appeal of an essay is acknowledged, with some titles being off-putting and others being captivating.
Against Interpretation
Susan Sontag's essay "Against Interpretation" is the main focus of this episode. The essay argues against the excessive interpretation and over-analysis of works of art, emphasizing the importance of experiencing the art itself and appreciating its form, rather than searching for hidden meanings or messages.
The Influence of Susan Sontag
The impact of Susan Sontag's writings, including "Against Interpretation", on individuals and the intellectual community is explored. A.O. Scott, a film critic of the New York Times, shares his personal obsession and intellectual relationship with Sontag. Her charisma, appearance, and contradictions as an intellectual figure are also discussed.
The Role of Form and Experience
The essay highlights the significance of form and experience in art and politics. The essay argues that too much focus on interpretation hinders our understanding and appreciation of the actual form of the work. Similarly, in politics, excessive interpretation neglects the importance of understanding the form and experience of political events and phenomena, often leading to missed opportunities for change.
Episode 8 in our history of the great essays is about Susan Sontag’s ‘Against Interpretation’ (1963). What was interpretation and why was Sontag so against it? David explores how an argument about art, criticism and the avant-garde can be applied to contemporary politics and can even explain the monstrous appeal of Donald Trump.
‘The upside of Sontag’s downside was that her ire was generated by the same power supply that electrified her battle for principles that others only espoused.’
‘Paris let her say no to an academic life, but not to a life of ideas. The best thinking was done in cafes, or in bed, or at the movies, not in libraries.’