Chantelle Gray, a Professor at Northwest University and author of "Anarchism After Deleuze and Guadagni, Fabulating Futures," dives into the intersections of anarchism and the philosophies of Deleuze and Guattari. She discusses challenging statist realism and the superficiality of political change while advocating for deep societal transformation. The conversation touches on reimagining care in a digitized world and emphasizes the importance of community in resisting state and capitalist influences. Exciting new philosophical endeavors also pave the way for future explorations.
Chantelle Gray's journey illustrates the transformative impact of Deleuze and Guattari on her understanding of anarchism and political discourse.
The discussion highlights the necessity of rethinking societal structures and the influence of technology on our relationships and autonomy.
Deep dives
Academic Journey and Anarchist Ideas
The speaker shares her academic journey, highlighting her initial focus on analytic philosophy and political theory, specifically traditional thinkers like Hobbes and Locke. A pivotal moment occurred when she ventured into the world of anarchism through unexpected interactions during her time running a vegan restaurant. Exposure to Deleuze and Guattari's works altered her perception of both power and the possibilities within political discourse, allowing her to reevaluate her skepticism towards anarchism. Over the years, this evolving thought process culminated in the creation of her book, which seeks to amalgamate disparate ideas surrounding anarchism and contemporary philosophy.
Critiquing Status Quo and 'Statist Realism'
The concept of 'statist realism' is introduced as a significant aspect of contemporary political thought, paralleling Mark Fisher's idea of capitalist realism. This notion suggests that our understanding of societal potential is often limited to what currently exists within state structures, hence perpetuating the belief that the state is an ultimate achievement of civilization. The transition from imagining alternatives to the state is fraught with difficulties because of societal conditioning to accept state governance as natural. This critical examination prompts a call for rethinking our frameworks and considering what lies beyond existing political paradigms.
Deleuze and Guattari's Political Insights
The discussion explores how Deleuze and Guattari navigate the complexities of social organization, focusing on their critiques of both Marxism and psychoanalysis. They propose that the history of social structures is contingent rather than linear, suggesting that various forms of governance have evolved rather than inevitably leading to statism. This perspective encourages a reexamination of desire as a fluid concept that transcends simplistic economic or social frameworks, highlighting the importance of liberating desire from conforming norms. Their work lays the groundwork for understanding the mechanisms that govern society and inspires a rethinking of political engagement.
Technology, Care, and Future Societies
The podcast emphasizes the pervasive influence of technology on our lives, particularly through the lens of algorithmic governmentality. As technology has evolved, it has become deeply integrated into our existence, shaping our thoughts and interactions while simultaneously creating dependencies that alter our relationships. A call to reassess the role of technology encourages an examination of what kind of societal structures we desire, proposing solutions that promote care and communal living. This emphasis on crafting healthier relationships with technology and fostering intergenerational knowledge aims to build societies that prioritize autonomy over prescribed norms.
I speak to Chantelle Gray about her book on Anarchism, Deleuze and Guattari.
My book: books.aosis.co.za/index.php/ob/catalog/book/319
My profiles: linktr.ee/undisciplined
Art by MJ du Preez
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