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Arie spreekt met spreker en trainer Wouter de Jong. Wouter schreef het boek Mindgym, een boek vol met trainingen voor het brein. Hoe train je je mentale conditie? En vergroot je je aandachtspanne?
Een gesprek over bewuster Instagrammen, durfen jezelf accepteren en boze onuitgevoerde ideeën onder ogen komen.
De soundtrack van Over Routines is gemaakt door Sticks en Sim Fane.
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