Do we have to choose between conserving nature and growing the economy?

The Chancellor Rachel Reeves has been complaining about the £100m being spent on a tunnel to stop bats being squished by trains on the HS2 railway line. A debate about whether looking after the environment is getting in the way of developing Britain's infrastructure has ensued.

Is nature conservation getting in the way of economic growth - and can there only be one winner?

Presenter: Adam Fleming Producers: Josephine Casserly, Simon Tulett, Beth Ashmead-Latham Editor: Penny Murphy Production coordinator: Janet Staples Studio engineer: Andy Mills