In this insightful conversation, Dr. Beau Beard sits down with Dr. Steven Capobianco—clinician, educator, and fascia researcher—to unpack the evolving landscape of manual therapy, pain science, and movement-based care.From the history of trigger points and Travell & Simons to modern fascia research from Stecco, they challenge outdated paradigms and offer a fresh framework for integrating touch, neuroscience, and patient-centered care.Topics include:- Why trigger points are still debated—and why they still matter- Fascia’s role in pain and movement, beyond the hype- Rethinking touch: from mechanical to neurological- How to implement the biopsychosocial model with clarity and confidence- The rise in chronic pain—and what clinicians might be missingThis is not about pushing techniques—it’s about elevating clinical reasoning. Whether you’re a chiropractor, physio, trainer, or just fascinated by how the body works, this is a must-listen.***Chapters00:00 Introduction and Personal Updates05:18 Experiences at the Fix Congress08:40 Fascia and Its Importance in Manual Therapy10:34 The Bio-Psycho-Social Model in Treatment14:10 Historical Context of Manual Therapy22:50 The Evolution of Trigger Point Research32:37 The Controversy of Fascia and Manual Therapy35:36 Curiosity in Evidence-Based Practice39:03 The Complexity of Pain and Movement41:30 The Role of Touch in Therapy50:53 Centrally Mediated Pain and Trigger Points56:54 The Importance of Patient Expectations and Data Gathering01:07:28 Understanding Pain Beyond Treatment01:10:32 The Role of Curiosity in Pain Management01:13:08 The Global Burden of Pain and Movement01:16:26 The Complexity of Trigger Points01:20:51 Shared Decision Making in Therapy01:22:14 Exploring the Causes of Rising Pain Rates01:26:31 The Interplay of Pain, Anxiety, and Movement01:30:35 The Evolving Role of Touch in Therapy01:41:14 The Role of Touch in Movement and Pain Management01:44:28 Exploring Movement and Pain Perception01:46:41 The Interplay of Touch, Breath, and Awareness01:51:53 Understanding Pain and Movement Patterns02:01:34 The Importance of Patient Interaction and Experience02:04:02 Frameworks for Understanding Movement and Pain