Vox’s Jamil Smith talks with Charlie Sykes — journalist, author, stalwart "never Trumper," and a founder and editor-at-large of The Bulwark. They talk about the Republican response to Russia's invasion of Ukraine, the attraction of some self-professed conservatives to Vladimir Putin, the efforts by Republican lawmakers to ban books and topics from schools, and the devolution of conservative values within the post-Trump GOP.

Host: Jamil Smith (@JamilSmith), Senior Correspondent, Vox

Guest: Charlie Sykes (@SykesCharlie), editor-at-large, The Bulwark

References: 

• "Madison Cawthorn calls Ukraine government 'evil,' Zelenskyy 'a thug'" (WRAL.com; March 10)
• How The Right Lost Its Mind by Charles J. Sykes (St. Martins; 2017)
• "Florida's Ron DeSantis's CPAC speech champions pro-Covid policies" by Zeeshan Aleem (MSNBC Opinion; Feb. 25)
• "Trump-endorsed candidates struggling to raise money" by Josh Kraushaar (National Journal; Feb. 2)
• "Mitt Romney warns of 'extraordinary challenge' in preserving democracy" by Martin Pengelly (The Guardian; March 15)

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