Lex Fridman Podcast

#247 – Jamie Metzl: Lab Leak Theory

Dec 8, 2021

05:01:37

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Gain of Function Research: Someday A Monster Will Get Out

01:37

China’s Inaccuracies In the Beginning of the Pandemic

02:17

The Best Way to Define Offspring

01:30

The Implications of Selecting for Diversity

02:21

Introduction

3min

Give Directly - Engineer, Ambitiously

2min

How to Get the Most Out of Your Job Post at Slash Lex

2min

Is It a Lab Incident Origin?

2min

SARS-CoV-2 Virus Backbone

2min

Is SARS-CoV-2 a Wet Market Origin?

2min

SARS - Is There a Rapid Evolution?

2min

The Natural Origin of the COVID Virus?

5min

Is the Juanansifu Market the Source of SARS-1 Amplification?

2min

10.

The Wuhan Institute of Virology

3min

11.

The First Infection of a Virus in China Happened in September of 2019?

2min

12.

The Wuhan Institute of Virology

6min

13.

Is Lex an Axe Killer?

2min

14.

What Is the Role of a Leader in a Pandemic?

2min

15.

The Story of the Wuhan Institute of Virology

2min

16.

The Wuhan Institute of Virology in the New Location

6min

17.

Is This Just Not a Human Look?

6min

18.

The Science Communicator's Indictment of Peter Dazeck

2min

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TLDR Is a Lab Leak Hypothesis Is a Conspiracy Theory?

3min

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Did Wuhan Institute of Virology Go Through With That Research?

4min

21.

Is Peter Dasek the Opposite of Transparency?

2min

22.

How Do I Get to My 85%?

4min

23.

Was It or Wasn't It Gain of Function Research?

3min

24.

Gain of Function Research

6min

25.

I'm Just Going to Put Rand Paul Away. He's a Democrat Playing Political Games

2min

26.

The Great Leaders Have to Have Humility

5min

27.

Vaccines and HIV AIDS: Is It a Big Deal?

3min

28.

Francis Collins Interview

2min

29.

We Don't Know the Origin of the Pandemic, but We Need Transparency

3min

30.

Do You Have a Strong Skill in Asking Hard Questions?

4min

31.

COVID and the Twitter Feud Between Brett Weinstein and Sam Harris

3min

32.

We Need to Have Healthy Conversations

2min

33.

Do You Think She's Lying?

5min

34.

What Are the Small Acts of Rebellion?

5min

35.

Can You Interview Xi Jinping?

4min

36.

Is the Language Barrier a Thing?

4min

37.

Pandemic Origin - I'm Not a Chinese Speaker, but I Have a Website Translated Into Chinese

3min

38.

What Do You Think of Xi Jinping?

2min

39.

The Science of Censorship

4min

40.

The Chinese Government Can't Maintain Its Current Form of Government

3min

41.

Free Speech

4min

42.

Is There a Karaoke Machine in North Korea?

2min

43.

What's Patient Zero?

2min

44.

Is Patient Zero a Virus?

2min

45.

I'm Jamie. What Is Conscious?

4min

46.

SARS-CoV-2 - Is There a Backbone?

3min

47.

The Wuhan Institute of Virology and the Wuhan CDC - What Did You Have?

2min

48.

Do You Think Someone Knows Who Patient Zero Is?

2min

49.

Who Are the WHO?

4min

50.

SARS-CoV-2 Virus - What Are the Inaccuracies?

2min

51.

What the Chinese Government Did in the Early Days of the COVID-19 Vaccine

4min

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What's the Connection Between the Joint Study and the Pandemic?

3min

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Pandemic Origins

6min

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SAGO, the Scientific Advisory Group on the Origins of Novel Pathogens

4min

55.

The Leadership Made All the Difference in the WHO

2min

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How Should the Chinese Government Be More Transparent?

6min

57.

The Chinese Government's Response to Chernobyl

5min

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The Lab Leak Is About the Future

4min

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How to Minimize the Chance of a Cover-Up

2min

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Is Joe Rogan Enough to Hold the Government Accountable?

3min

61.

Is There a Lab Leak?

2min

62.

The Probability of a Coverup in the Pandemic

2min

63.

The Secrets of Genetics and the Evolution of Humans

5min

64.

Hacking Darwin, Genetic Engineering and the Future of Humanity

5min

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Genetic Information Get Expressed

5min

66.

The Future of Human Genetic Engineering

2min

67.

Is IQ a Measure of the Future?

3min

68.

IQ Tests

2min

69.

Diversity Is the Only Survival Strategy of Our Species

5min

70.

IQ Based Selection and the Future of Science Communication

5min

71.

Are We Going to Stop Having Sex?

2min

72.

I Value Flaws, the Good Stuff

2min

73.

What Do You Think About John Stewart?

3min

74.

The Value of Humor in Scientific Communication

4min

75.

Sanjay, I'm Just a Comedian?

4min

76.

The Wrestler's Interview With Francis Collins

2min

77.

What Sanjay Could Have Done to Win the Debate?

4min

78.

The Role of the Eyes in the Scientific Community Around COVID-19

4min

79.

The Temperature Is Coming Down

2min

80.

Is the Vaccine a Trojan Horse to Increase Bureaucracy?

3min

81.

Is the Vaccine a Huge Success or a Pure Victory?

4min

82.

What Have You Learned From Running the Ironman?

5min

83.

Ultra Marathons - What Advice Would You Give to a First Time Ultra Marathoner?

4min

84.

What Is Your Love for Chocolate Come From?

6min

85.

Is the Goal to Celebrate Life in General?

2min

86.

I'm Standing in the Shoulders of Isaac Newton and John Von Neumann Are in This Hedgehog

2min

87.

Are We Prepared for This Pandemic?

6min

88.

The Global Collective Action Problem

5min

89.

Working With the Model United Nations Framework

2min

90.

The Future of Cryptocurrency

5min

91.

The Core of Everything Is Knowing Who You Are

2min

92.

What's It Been Five and a Half Hours?

2min

Jamie Metzl is an author specializing in topics of genetic engineering, biotechnology, and geopolitics. Please support this podcast by checking out our sponsors:
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OUTLINE:
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(00:00) – Introduction
(07:44) – Lab leak
(1:06:18) – Gain-of-function research
(1:15:49) – Anthony Fauci
(1:25:31) – Francis Collins
(1:30:13) – Joe Rogan, Brett Weinstein, and Sam Harris
(2:00:10) – Xi Jinping
(2:14:41) – Patient Zero
(2:27:55) – WHO
(2:51:45) – Government transparency
(3:13:45) – Likelihood of a cover-up
(3:15:34) – Future of reproduction
(3:51:12) – Jon Stewart
(3:56:31) – Joe Rogan and Sanjay Gupta
(4:21:36) – Ultramarathons
(4:31:38) – Chocolate
(4:39:51) – One Shared World
(4:54:54) – Hope for the future

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Lex Fridman Podcast

#247 – Jamie Metzl: Lab Leak Theory

Gain of Function Research: Someday A Monster Will Get Out

China’s Inaccuracies In the Beginning of the Pandemic

The Best Way to Define Offspring

The Implications of Selecting for Diversity

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