Stoa Conversations: Stoicism Applied
Why Stoicism is False | Cicero's On Ends IV (Episode 179)
Apr 15, 2025
Caleb and Michael delve into Cicero's sharp critique of Stoic ethics, arguing that it oversimplifies the complexities of external goods. They explore the emotional and social dimensions neglected by Stoics, advocating for a more comprehensive Aristotelian approach. The discussion also questions whether Stoicism merely plays with definitions of virtue and good. By contrasting philosophical viewpoints, they reveal how combining insights from both Stoicism and Aristotelianism could enhance our understanding of happiness and human nature.
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- Cicero critiques Stoicism for neglecting the importance of external goods, arguing that both virtue and bodily well-being are essential for a good life.
- The podcast explores how Stoicism's reduction of identity to the mind alone overlooks the integral role of the body in human experience.
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Cicero's Critique of Stoicism
Cicero presents a strong critique of Stoicism by arguing that it arises from the Aristotelian school with minimal differences. He posits that while both philosophies emphasize virtue as central to a good life, Stoicism unnecessarily complicates matters by categorizing external achievements as mere 'preferred indifferences.' Instead, he advocates the Aristotelian view, which acknowledges external goods such as health and reputation as significant for well-being. This comparison suggests that Stoicism complicates philosophical discourse without providing substantial benefits over the foundational ideas presented by Aristotle.
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