Inner Cosmos with David Eagleman

Ep129 "Is utopia possible or do human brains preclude it?" with Paul Bloom

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Nov 10, 2025
In this engaging discussion, psychologist Paul Bloom, a noted research professor at the University of Toronto, explores the complexities of utopia. He argues that our innate tribalism, jealousy, and preference for hierarchies make a perfect society elusive. Bloom reveals why struggles and scarcity can actually enrich meaning in our lives. He also highlights how legal frameworks can help counterbalance our biases while emphasizing gradual reform over radical change. Ultimately, he suggests that the pursuit of utopia should be viewed as a direction rather than a definitive endpoint.
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INSIGHT

Utopian Zeal Often Curds Into Terror

  • Human drives like tribalism, rivalry, and paranoia repeatedly derail utopian projects into violence and purges.
  • David Eagleman argues history shows moral-purity movements often turn their blades inward and produce terror.
ANECDOTE

Summer Camp Split Became Rapid Tribalism

  • David Eagleman recounts the 1950s summer-camp experiment where arbitrary team labels produced rapid tribal hostility.
  • The study shows group identity and us-versus-them divisions emerge within hours or days.
ANECDOTE

Monkeys Riot Over Unequal Rewards

  • Paul Bloom and David Eagleman discuss capuchin monkeys rejecting cucumber when a neighbor gets a grape for the same task.
  • The monkeys' outrage demonstrates a deep-rooted sensitivity to fairness and comparative reward.
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