

Israeli protests, White House talks and a pilgrimage sparks fury - with Shira Efron
60 snips Aug 28, 2025
Join Shira Efron, Distinguished Israel Policy Chair at the RAND Corporation, as she shares insights from her two decades of Middle East policy analysis. The discussion dives into the surge of Israeli protests demanding a hostage deal amidst stalled political processes. Efron highlights the disconnect between the cabinet and public sentiment, the complexities of military strategies in Gaza, and the urgent need for new diplomatic engagements. The chat also touches on the surreal scene of Haredi pilgrims as societal tensions rise in Israel.
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Netanyahu's Strategic U-Turn
- Netanyahu reversed his long-standing position and now refuses even to discuss a partial hostage deal despite Hamas offering one.
- Jonathan and Yonit interpret this U-turn as politically motivated and possibly designed to keep the war going on Netanyahu's terms.
Why The U-Turn Makes Strategic Sense To Them
- Netanyahu and Dermer may believe Hamas is stalling to avoid an Israeli incursion and thus seek a full takeover of Gaza City instead of a partial deal.
- Yonit argues this explains the apparent policy reversal and desire to demilitarize and maintain an Israeli presence.
Military Hesitation Versus Political Pressure
- The Israeli military chief of staff prefers a hostage deal and is cautious about invading Gaza City, reversing the usual civil-military dynamic.
- This shows military leaders are urging restraint while politicians push toward a risky urban operation.