The world's second-most famous AI doomer Connor Leahy sits down with Beff Jezos, the founder of the e/acc movement debating technology, AI policy, and human values. As the two discuss technology, AI safety, civilization advancement, and the future of institutions, they clash on their opposing perspectives on how we steer humanity towards a more optimal path.

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Post-interview with Beff and Connor: https://www.patreon.com/posts/97905213

Pre-interview with Connor and his colleague Dan Clothiaux: https://www.patreon.com/posts/connor-leahy-and-97631416

Leahy, known for his critical perspectives on AI and technology, challenges Jezos on a variety of assertions related to the accelerationist movement, market dynamics, and the need for regulation in the face of rapid technological advancements. Jezos, on the other hand, provides insights into the e/acc movement's core philosophies, emphasizing growth, adaptability, and the dangers of over-legislation and centralized control in current institutions.

Throughout the discussion, both speakers explore the concept of entropy, the role of competition in fostering innovation, and the balance needed to mediate order and chaos to ensure the prosperity and survival of civilization. They weigh up the risks and rewards of AI, the importance of maintaining a power equilibrium in society, and the significance of cultural and institutional dynamism.

Beff Jezos (Guillaume Verdon): https://twitter.com/BasedBeffJezos https://twitter.com/GillVerd Connor Leahy: https://twitter.com/npcollapse

YT: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0zxi0xSBOaQ

TOC:

00:00:00 - Intro

00:03:05 - Society library reference

00:03:35 - Debate starts

00:05:08 - Should any tech be banned?

00:20:39 - Leaded Gasoline

00:28:57 - False vacuum collapse method?

00:34:56 - What if there are dangerous aliens?

00:36:56 - Risk tolerances

00:39:26 - Optimizing for growth vs value

00:52:38 - Is vs ought

01:02:29 - AI discussion

01:07:38 - War / global competition

01:11:02 - Open source F16 designs

01:20:37 - Offense vs defense

01:28:49 - Morality / value

01:43:34 - What would Conor do

01:50:36 - Institutions/regulation

02:26:41 - Competition vs. Regulation Dilemma

02:32:50 - Existential Risks and Future Planning

02:41:46 - Conclusion and Reflection

Note from Tim: I baked the chapter metadata into the mp3 file this time, does that help the chapters show up in your app? Let me know. Also I accidentally exported a few minutes of dead audio at the end of the file - sorry about that just skip on when the episode finishes.