The world's second-most famous AI doomer Connor Leahy sits down with Beff Jezos, the founder of the e/acc movement debating technology, AI policy, and human values. As the two discuss technology, AI safety, civilization advancement, and the future of institutions, they clash on their opposing perspectives on how we steer humanity towards a more optimal path.
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Leahy, known for his critical perspectives on AI and technology, challenges Jezos on a variety of assertions related to the accelerationist movement, market dynamics, and the need for regulation in the face of rapid technological advancements. Jezos, on the other hand, provides insights into the e/acc movement's core philosophies, emphasizing growth, adaptability, and the dangers of over-legislation and centralized control in current institutions.
Throughout the discussion, both speakers explore the concept of entropy, the role of competition in fostering innovation, and the balance needed to mediate order and chaos to ensure the prosperity and survival of civilization. They weigh up the risks and rewards of AI, the importance of maintaining a power equilibrium in society, and the significance of cultural and institutional dynamism.
Beff Jezos (Guillaume Verdon):
https://twitter.com/BasedBeffJezos
https://twitter.com/GillVerd
Connor Leahy:
https://twitter.com/npcollapse
YT: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0zxi0xSBOaQ
TOC:
00:00:00 - Intro
00:03:05 - Society library reference
00:03:35 - Debate starts
00:05:08 - Should any tech be banned?
00:20:39 - Leaded Gasoline
00:28:57 - False vacuum collapse method?
00:34:56 - What if there are dangerous aliens?
00:36:56 - Risk tolerances
00:39:26 - Optimizing for growth vs value
00:52:38 - Is vs ought
01:02:29 - AI discussion
01:07:38 - War / global competition
01:11:02 - Open source F16 designs
01:20:37 - Offense vs defense
01:28:49 - Morality / value
01:43:34 - What would Conor do
01:50:36 - Institutions/regulation
02:26:41 - Competition vs. Regulation Dilemma
02:32:50 - Existential Risks and Future Planning
02:41:46 - Conclusion and Reflection
Note from Tim: I baked the chapter metadata into the mp3 file this time, does that help the chapters show up in your app? Let me know. Also I accidentally exported a few minutes of dead audio at the end of the file - sorry about that just skip on when the episode finishes.
