

S7E1: Common Ground?
Jan 29, 2025
In this engaging conversation, Ben Hepburn, a former teacher, wrestling coach, and passionate farmer, joins Lawrence Lessig to explore their differing political views. They reflect on their high school memories while diving into pressing issues like immigration policies and the complexities of H-1B visas. Hepburn shares his journey from athlete to educator and his deep connection to farming, highlighting its impact on his family. The pair emphasizes the importance of civil discourse and seeks common ground in a divided political landscape.
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High School Reconnection
- Larry Lessig and Ben Hepburn reminisce about their high school days, where Ben was a popular athlete and Larry was a band nerd.
- They've reconnected as adults and now discuss politics despite differing viewpoints.
Ben's Journey
- Ben Hepburn discusses his career as a wrestling coach and agriculture teacher, boasting a state title and successful program growth.
- He also shares his experience raising five children on a hobby farm after becoming a single parent.
The Farm's Purpose
- An older lady tells Ben Hepburn that his farm, where she lived as an orphan, 'will raise kids just fine'.
- This heartwarming encounter reinforces Ben's decision to buy the farm for his children.