The Clock and the Cat
Episode 8 - Not systems thinking
Jan 13, 2020
Eric Wenzel, an expert in complex responsive processes, discusses the limitations of systems thinking in organizations and the importance of human creativity and spontaneity. He reflects on the challenges of engaging with entrenched systems thinking and the loneliness of thinking differently. The podcast explores the transition to complexity theory in managing work projects and emphasizes the value of meaningful conversations over abstract concepts.
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Quick takeaways
- Complex responsive processes prioritize human interaction over systems thinking in organizational dynamics.
- Embracing uncertainty and fostering open dialogue are crucial in navigating complexity and facilitating meaningful discussions.
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Eric's Journey Into Complexity
Eric's interest in complexity was sparked by the discrepancy between his planned change interventions and the actual outcomes in his consultancy work. Despite not meeting milestones, clients saw value in his work, leading him to delve into understanding complexity literature. He realized that facilitating meaningful dialogues where individuals explored their actions was more impactful than traditional approaches.
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