Rob is an ecologist, biologist and author.

We talk about listening to the laws of biology over technology, agriculture, adaptation, and his latest book.

You can find out more about Rob's work here: https://robdunnlab.com/ and buy a copy of A Natural History of the Future in most bookshops/web-stores.

Follow the podcast on Instagram - @coffee_with_conservationists / follow me - @george_brynmor on Instagram.

Coffee Notes - Bird and Wild Coffee

Tasting notes - balanced cocoa and fruit tanginess

You can find more about this coffee here: https://birdandwild.co.uk/pages/why-drink-bird-wild-coffee

Music credits - "Heron Island" by Richard Bentley - https://www.smallsilence.org/about

Dr. John Rumpakis - Practice Valuations