217: ChatGPT as Universal Intern and Permission Not to Be a Billionaire with Kevin Kelly (Pivot Crossover)
Aug 22, 2023
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Kevin Kelly, author of Excellent Advice for Living, discusses the power of human-AI partnerships and the concept of being the only, not the best. They explore the rise of generative AI, embracing opportunities and generosity, finding purpose, and the paradoxes of life. The conversation also touches on wisdom and declining arguments as an experiment.
Generative AI models like ChatGPT can serve as universal interns, providing quick and practical solutions and allowing humans to focus on adding value and elevating the final output to a higher standard.
Valuing experiences, relationships, and personal growth over wealth and fame brings long-lasting fulfillment and true wealth lies in having time and freedom to do what one loves.
Deep dives
The Power of Generative AI and the Role of Interns
In this podcast episode, Jenny Blake interviews Kevin Kelly, a renowned technology and science writer, about the potential of generative AI and its role as a universal intern. Kelly explains that generative AI models, like Chad GPT, can serve as interns that are available any time and anywhere, generating content or completing tasks that would otherwise require significant time and effort. While these models are still in their first draft, they can be incredibly useful by providing quick and practical solutions. Kelly also emphasizes that interns or AI assistants allow humans to focus on adding value, curating the content or ideas generated, and elevating the final output to a higher standard. He believes that as these AI models continue to evolve, humans will be able to train them to act more reliably and improve their overall quality. Kelly highlights that this technology is not about replacing or causing job loss, but rather about amplifying and supplementing human capabilities. It opens up opportunities for creativity, customization, and generating content in areas where there previously was none. Finally, he suggests that the concern about the flood of generic content is self-limiting because people will quickly learn to filter out and ignore such content, pushing creators to focus on producing higher-quality, distinctive work.
The Value of Experiences Over Money and Fame
Another key theme discussed in the podcast episode is the importance of valuing experiences over material possessions, money, and fame. Kelly shares his perspective on fame and wealth, highlighting that the burden of fame and the limitations of extreme wealth often outweigh the benefits. Instead, he encourages listeners to focus on seeking experiences and things that cannot be bought with money, as those are the things that truly matter and bring long-lasting fulfillment. Kelly also suggests that the pursuit of wealth should not be the ultimate goal, as true wealth lies in having time and freedom to do what one loves. He emphasizes that focusing on experiences, relationships, and personal growth is more rewarding than accumulating financial wealth or chasing fame.
The Paradoxes of Life and the Journey of Finding Purpose
The podcast delves into the paradoxes of life and the journey of finding purpose. Kelly shares his observation that life is inherently paradoxical, and many of the things we strive for defy logic. He encourages listeners to embrace paradoxes and trust in the universe, adopting a mindset of "pronoya" - the belief that the universe is conspiring to help us succeed. Kelly suggests that the search for purpose and the exploration of one's unique talents and passions is a lifelong journey filled with detours and unexpected twists. He advises individuals to focus on the main thing, keeping it the center of their attention, while also allowing life to surprise them and being open to serendipity. Kelly believes that following our intuition, being generous, and paying attention to the guidance of others are key to discovering and fulfilling our purpose.
Experiment: Decline Invitations to Arguments
As an experiment, Kelly suggests that listeners decline invitations to arguments in the coming week. He highlights the power of choosing not to engage in arguments that may be unproductive or emotionally draining. By consciously avoiding arguments, individuals can cultivate a more peaceful and positive environment, focusing their energy on more constructive pursuits.
In this conversation, we revisit our 2016 discussion about the power of human-AI partnerships, give you permission not to become a billionaire, help you lean into serendipity and embrace paradox, and encourage you to buy your time (through delegation) so that you can focus on doing the work that only you can do. As Kevin says, “Don’t be the best, be the only.”
This crossover episode originally aired on the Pivot podcast on May 7, 2023.
More About Kevin:Kevin Kelly helped launch WIRED magazine in 1993. He is a renowned technology and science writer, futurist, and thinker who has been at the forefront of digital culture for decades. Kelly's work explores the intersection of technology, culture, and society, and he is known for his thought-provoking insights on the future of innovation and the impact of technology on our lives. He has authored multiple books including The Inevitable, Out of Control, The Silver Cord, and What Technology Wants. His newest is Excellent Advice for Living: Wisdom I Wish I’d Known Earlier (May 2023). He lives in Pacifica, California with his family.
🌟 5 Favorite Takeaways from Excellent Advice for Living
ChatGPT and generative AI tools are becoming the intern that everybody can have; you’ll still need to check their work, but you no longer need to start from scratch.
You really don’t want to be famous. Read the biography of any famous person.
Measure your wealth, not buy the things you can buy, but buy the things that no money can buy. Delegate what you can.
Ask anyone you admire: Their lucky breaks happened on a detour from their main goal. So embrace detours. Life is not a straight line for anyone.
Be generous. Give ideas (and compliments!) away, and even more will return to you.
✅ Try this experiment: You’ll get invited to an argument in the next week or two. Decline the invitation; don’t attend!