Kevin Kelly joins Mark and Jeremy to think on paper about technology and nature, decentralized systems, and the real-world challenges of AI, creativity, consciousness and more.

You'll hear about Kelly's unique methods for staying curious, including adopting a "Martian" perspective and the power of noticing. This conversation ultimately investigates how our tools shape us, extend our minds, and why grasping their true nature is key to navigating the future.

Please enjoy the show. And share with a curious friend.

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LinksKevin Kelly: https://kk.org/

Thinking On Paper: https://www.thinkingonpaper.xyz/

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Chapters

(00:00) Kevin Kelly On Nature And Technology

(02:59) Why Decentralized Systems Still Need Some Hierarchy

(09:03) Why DAOs Failed: Immutability Was a Bug

(16:46) Is AI Creative? (Yes) & The Coming Emotional Bonds

(21:39) AI Consciousness: A Spectrum of Artificial Aliens

(29:16) "Write to Discover What You Think"

(32:48) Balancing AI Tools & Human Thinking

(33:50) AI as a Skill & Powerful Thinking Partner

(37:50) Hot Buttons: Future, Bitcoin, Jurassic Park, Aliens?

(41:10) How to Cultivate Wonder (Hint: Be a Martian)

(49:10) The Power of Saying "I Don't Know"

(53:54) Kevin Kelly's Question: What Do We Want Humans To Be?

KEVIN KELLY on Aliens And AI