Unchained

Post-Merge, If Lido Becomes Dominant, What Does That Mean for Ethereum? - Ep. 372

Jul 12, 2022

Ryan Berckmans, an Ethereum investor and community member, joins Bitcoin investor Alex Bergeron to dissect Lido's impressive hold on liquid staking derivatives. They explore the implications of Lido's potential monopoly on Ethereum's decentralization, uncovering the mechanics of stETH and its uses. The conversation touches on the challenges posed by miner extractable value, dual governance proposals for Lido, and the ethical dilemmas of a centralized staking ecosystem. Can other competitors challenge Lido’s dominance? Tune in to find out!

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Alex Bergeron

Ryan Berckmans

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Episode notes

Intro

2min

Lido's Dominance in Liquid Staking

29min

Exploring the Post-Merge Power Dynamics of Lido in Ethereum Staking

5min

Governance Dilemmas in Lido's Ecosystem

15min

Navigating Complexity: The Technical and Social Challenges of Ethereum's Future

4min

Navigating Competition: Proposals to Challenge Lido's Dominance

6min

Exploring Lido's Governance and Token Distribution Strategies

4min

Ryan Berckmans, Ethereum investor and community member, and Alexandre Bergeron, Bitcoin investor, discuss Lido’s dominance as a liquid staking provider, whether that issue can be resolved, and how it could be a centralizing force for Ethereum. Show highlights:

what stETH is, what the uses cases are for stETH, and why it is important
how Lido had a first-mover advantage and how that kicked off network effects
whether the liquid staking derivatives system is one of a “winner-take-all”
how much of the staked ETH will be turned into a liquid staking derivative
how Lido might have a huge MEV opportunity after the Merge
what the proposer-builder separation is
whether Lido's dominance will increase over time
whether other competitors have been competitive with Lido
why Lido is a natural monopoly because of the incentives and MEV opportunities
what the implication of Lido’s monopoly is for Ethereum’s censorship resistance
whether Lido is effectively a single entity despite having multiple node operators
whether there could be a long waiting period for becoming a validator after the Merge
how Lido is moving its staking derivatives to other chains
how Lido’s new dual-governance proposal works, why it might be useful to decentralize Lido and whether it reduces the power of LDO token holders
how Lido’s centralization is the biggest threat to Ethereum in the long term and what are the possible solutions
why Ryan believes the value of ETH comes from its credible neutrality and whether Lido's centralization may jeopardize that
whether finding solutions around MEV opportunities is a good way to reduce Lido’s monopoly
whether Lido’s competitors could form an alliance and build a tokenized basket of their staking derivatives to compete with Lido
whether Lido could airdrop the LDO token to all ETH holders to decentralize its governance token