We present a special conversation between Clay Jenkinson and best-selling author, historian and Pulitzer Prize finalist H. W. Brands. They discuss Brand's new book, Our First Civil War: Patriots and Loyalists in the American Revolution.

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Mentioned on this episode: Our First Civil War: Patriots and Loyalists in the American Revolution

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#1473 Our First Civil War with H.W. Brands