The podcast discusses the possibility of a "grand bargain" between Israel, the Palestinians, and their Sunni Arab neighbors. They explore the shift in Israeli public opinion, the challenges in achieving peace, the potential role of Saudi Arabia, and alternative approaches in the war. They also discuss the importance of having credible dreams and regaining a sense of home in the Middle East.
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The Israeli public is increasingly open to a regional deal, brokered by the U.S., that would ensure a two-state solution in the near future.
The proposed Grand Bargain involves creating a large Sunni coalition and establishing a Palestinian state, with Saudi Arabia and other Arab allies playing a significant role.
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The Grand Bargain: A Proposal for Peace
The podcast episode discusses the concept of the Grand Bargain, a potential deal being put forth that could lead to peace in Israel and Palestine. The deal involves Israel embracing a ceasefire in exchange for the return of hostages and the expulsion of Hamas leaders. It also includes the creation of a large Sunni coalition and steps towards establishing a Palestinian state in Judea-Samaria and Gaza. The podcast highlights the dissonance between the belief that peace is further away than ever and the growing interest in this proposed deal. It also explores the shift in Israeli public opinion, with surveys showing a decrease in support for a permanent Israeli presence in Gaza and an openness to the Grand Bargain.
The Role of Saudi Arabia and Allies
The podcast emphasizes the role of Saudi Arabia and other Arab allies in the proposed Grand Bargain. It highlights how the deal includes the achievement of peace between Israel and the region, allowing Israel to focus on the Shiite-Israeli war while creating opportunities for Palestinian pride and societal change. The podcast explores the idea that a joint Israeli-Arab-Palestinian security force could be formed, giving Palestinians a sense of control and dignity. It also acknowledges the complexities and uncertainties surrounding the nature of a Palestinian state and the need for regional security arrangements.
Dreaming of a New Path
The podcast delves into the significance of dreaming and envisioning a different future amidst the challenges and conflicts faced in the region. It acknowledges the fears and skepticism surrounding a two-state solution and highlights the need for a credible and grounded vision. The podcast reflects on the desire to regain a sense of 'at-homeness' for Israelis, which could potentially be achieved through a greater sense of belonging and collaboration in the Middle East. It concludes by encouraging listeners to explore new possibilities and visions for the future.
A month ago, the prospect of Palestinian statehood was a distant fantasy for most Israelis. Now, as hostages continue to languish in Hamas captivity and the IDF’s progress in Gaza tapers, the war-weary public has polled in favor of a regional deal, brokered by the U.S., that would ensure a two-state solution in the near future. Donniel Hartman and Yossi Klein Halevi express their reactions, reservations, and predictions regarding this so-called “grand bargain” between Israel, the Palestinians, and their Sunni Arab neighbors, and imagine what this transformative peace would mean for a nation deeply scarred by the atrocities of October 7th.