The Carey Nieuwhof Leadership Podcast CNLP 689 | DeSizing the Church, The Drug of Size, The Good and Bad of the Church Growth Movement, and What Small and Large Churches Get Right
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Nov 12, 2024 Karl Vaters, an experienced pastor and author, shares insights on the concept of 'desizing' the church in today’s context. He discusses the obsession with church size and its pitfalls, advocating for a focus on spiritual health rather than numbers. Vaters highlights the unique strengths of both small and large congregations and the unintended consequences of the church growth movement. He also emphasizes the need for genuine leadership and community engagement over simple numerical success.
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Mismatched Ministry
- Carey Nieuwhof asks Karl Vaters about his experience pastoring a larger church.
- Vaters describes feeling mismatched to the role, leading to unhappiness and a decline in church growth.
Obsession with Size
- Church growth became an obsession, influenced by the church growth movement and the First Amendment.
- The First Amendment indirectly linked church size to financial success in the US.
Podcast, Don't Live Stream
- Karl Vaters advises small churches to podcast sermons instead of live streaming.
- This improves quality and offers more control over the message.
