Comedians Dave Anthony and Gareth Reynolds discuss the life of mountain man Peter Skene Ogden in this live podcast. Topics covered include Ogden's family history, his entry into the fur trade, destructive actions by fur traders, failed mediation attempts, and his journey back to the American West. The chapter also touches on humorous banter, awkward apologies, poisonous beavers, and the naming of cities after controversial figures.
Peter Skene Ogden was a violent and feared fur trader known for his aggressive tactics and abusive behavior.
Ogden's skills and knowledge of the region made him valuable despite his controversial actions.
Ogden's expeditions were marked by tension, clashes with indigenous people, and confrontations with rival American companies.
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Ogden becomes a feared and ruthless fur trader
Peter Ogden, a fur trader for the Northwest Company, gained a reputation for being a violent bully against both indigenous people and fellow traders. His aggressive tactics and abusive behavior, including slashing clothes and breaking fingers, made him feared and dangerous. Despite his controversial actions, Ogden's skills as an explorer and his knowledge of the region made him valuable to the Hudson's Bay Company, and he was eventually accepted back into the company.
Ogden's expeditions and confrontations in the American West
As a full-time explorer, Ogden led expeditions and headed west to the mouth of the Columbia River. He faced confrontations with rival American companies and engaged in skirmishes with other traders. His aggressive and defiant nature earned him both admiration and disdain from his colleagues. He married multiple times, and his expeditions were marked by tension and clashes with indigenous people. Despite his controversial reputation, Ogden's skills and knowledge of the region allowed him to continue leading expeditions.
Clashes with American trappers and defections
During his expeditions, Ogden encountered American trappers who tried to force him to leave, offering better wages and supplies. Some of his own men defected to the American party, causing tension and standoffs. Ogden attempted to stand his ground and retain his men, but ultimately had to abandon the camp to prevent further defections. The clash took place in Mexican territory, with both parties unaware of their actual location.
Peter Ogden's Adventures in the Fur Trade Industry
Peter Ogden, a controversial figure in the fur trade industry, played a significant role in the jockeying for power between various factions, including Russians, Canadians, and Americans. He negotiated, built forts, and even engaged in armed conflicts. Despite his violent past, Ogden went through a transformation and became a respected and sought-after advisor. However, his redemption was not without obstacles, as he faced mutinies, desertions, and a transfer to a different fort. Ultimately, he found himself living in America, where he continued to be a colorful character, writing whimsical letters and poems. Ogden passed away in 1854, leaving behind a controversial legacy and a city named in his honor.
The Brutal Realities and Unpredictable Nature of the Fur Trade
The podcast episode sheds light on the brutalities and challenges faced in the fur trade industry. Peter Ogden's experiences highlight the violence and ruthlessness that characterized the quest for valuable fur. Native American tribes were attacked, battles were fought, and numerous animals were brutally killed, such as beavers and horses. This narrative shows how the pursuit of profit and power led to the exploitation of both human and animal resources, leaving a dark legacy behind.