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Rapid Advancements in VR and AI: Understanding Opportunities and Necessary Boundaries With David Christopher Lane, PhD

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Jun 16, 2025

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David Christopher Lane, PhD

David Christopher Lane, PhD, a philosopher and researcher, dives into the fascinating worlds of VR and AI. He likens the brain to a VR headset, interpreting our experiences symbolically. The discussion highlights the dangers of AI amplifying misinformation and the need for ethical oversight. Lane shares insights on creative AI tools and their potential in education, while pondering whether AI will enhance our intelligence or make us lazier. He emphasizes the importance of critical thinking and being open to being wrong in a rapidly evolving technological landscape.

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ANECDOTE

Early VR Journey And Classroom Pilot

David Lane started using VR in 1993 and returned to it seriously after his son competed in VR teams around 2014.
He created one of the first VR philosophy courses and gave students free headsets to explore virtual learning.

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INSIGHT

AI's Exponential Leap

Lane uses exponential growth (Kurzweil) to explain rapid AI improvements and shows comparison via evolving AI art realism.
Small iterative gains compound fast, producing near-photorealistic fakes within years.

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ADVICE

Embrace AI Tools Or Lose Ground

Learn and use AI tools rather than resisting them to avoid being left behind in work and education.
Teach students all major AI tools so they gain practical advantage and job readiness.

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Early VR Experience and Educational VR Course

02:57 • 1min

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AI Growth and the Exponential Metaphor

04:23 • 3min

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Practical AI Tools for Creativity

07:13 • 3min

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Risks of AI Amplifying Bad Actors

10:10 • 4min

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Critical Thinking as Willingness to Be Wrong

14:20 • 2min

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Deepfakes, Watermarking, and Copyright Challenges

16:47 • 3min

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Balancing AI Innovation with Ethical Safeguards

19:49 • 4min

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Is Consciousness a Virtual Reality?

23:21 • 4min

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Addressing VR Privacy and Motion-Sickness Fears

27:03 • 5min

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VR Accessibility: Meaningful Experiences for Disabled Users

32:12 • 4min

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Timelines for Agentic AI and Conscious Machines

36:17 • 2min

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Using AI to Generate Fiction and Content at Scale

38:26 • 1min

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AI Agents for Therapeutic and De-Radicalization Work

39:50 • 5min

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Guardrails, Ethical Design, and Dangers of Unrestricted Models

44:40 • 2min

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Concerns About Tech Leaders, Influence, and Power

46:33 • 4min

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Philosophical Shifts: Brain-Based vs. Consciousness-First Views

50:34 • 5min

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Will AI Make Us Dumber or Enhance Education?

55:06 • 3min

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Gamified Learning and Collaborative VR Classrooms

58:23 • 2min

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Bridging VR and Non-VR Users for Shared Interaction

01:00:19 • 37sec

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Final Advice: Learn AI Tools or Be Left Behind

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“Our brain is a like a VR headset. That’s what it is. It renders incoming data streams to interpret different worlds,” David explained. He proposed that we already live in a symbolic universe, such as the trash can on a desktop being merely a symbol of an action taken on a computer. “VR is a much better model to explain what our brains do,” he continued. David Christopher Lane, PhD and I discussed his experiences with the worlds of Virtual Reality (VR), Artificial Intelligence (AI), and neuroscience. I noted that technology could be used for good or evil and that it is essential to have responsible, ethical guidelines for such tools. David agreed, “The bad actors using AI, just like the internet, allowed lots of people to have voices that probably should never have had voices.” He then mentioned how podcasters such as Joe Rogan broadcast a lot of messages that are “not credentialed, not great historians, believing in all sorts of weird stuff.” We spoke about developmental psychology and ideas of mature self-knowledge, including values and beliefs that allow us to investigate and evolve our systems of consciousness and decision-making. David noted that in his critical thinking class, they discussed how one becomes a good critical thinker. “It is our ability and willingness to admit to being wrong or mistaken.” This is a fascinating discussion. AI is here and will get more prominent. Come listen and learn.

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