The Burnt Toast Podcast [PREVIEW] Those Pants Don't Deserve You
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We are Corinne Fay and Virginia Sole-Smith, and this month we’re discussing… Things Thin People Say. 👀
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⭐️ The most bananas comment about swimsuit shopping
⭐️ That thing where they think their boyfriend’s clothes will fit you
⭐️ How Caroline Chambers’ thin privilege shows up
⭐️ Our thoughts on Haley Nahman’s sugar addict essay.
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Episode 204 Transcript
Corinne
So, today we’re going to talk about the fatphobic things that people say without realizing it. And I think any fat person you talk to probably has an example of this.
Virginia
Or a dozen examples of this.
Corinne
Or a dozen examples of this.
We asked Burnt Toast readers to share stories. And we’re going to talk about a couple of examples that we stumbled across recently…
Virginia
On the Internet.
Corinne
In the course of our jobs.
Virginia
We are going to talk about Caroline Chambers. We are going to talk about Haley Nahman. We’re going to get into some stuff that’s been happening with the thin folks.
Obviously, since I just mentioned some high profile people, you might think this is going to be a really juicy, gossipy episode. That’s not really the goal here.
I think of this as more an opportunity to have some moments of catharsis. As fat folks, we so often have to endure these comments, which can be unintentional but still really harmful. And that’s something we all live with. So it’s just good sometimes to list them and be like… Yep. That happened.
And hopefully, this is instructive for thin listeners. If you’re listening to this podcast, I assume it’s because you are interested in divesting from diet culture. You are interested in unlearning anti-fatness. And that is not always easy or comfortable work. Sometimes we have to be willing to look at ourselves. You might realize, “wow, I did say a not cool thing, and that was my thin privilege.” And I hope the place you go with that is: I didn’t even realize it was harmful. But now I know, so how can I show up as a better ally?
Corinne
I also think a good thing to mention about that is that, as fat people, we experience thin people making these type of comments. But as humans, we also make these types of comments about other groups of people. I’m sure I’ve made an offhanded comment that was harmful to someone who’s Black, or to someone with kids. You know?
Virginia
You offend me all the time, as a person with kids.
Corinne
I am so sorry. I try not to. I love kids.
Virginia
You have literally never said anything offensive about children.
Corinne
Well, I just can imagine—we don’t always have other people’s sensitivities in mind.
Virginia
Right. The whole thing about privilege is it makes you unaware of other experiences. This is why we have to look at it.
Corinne
So anyone who does this is not bad or evil. It’s a normal part of life and still worth talking about.
Virginia
OK, soI think I first sent you the Caroline Chambers piece we’re going to chat about a few weeks ago. She wrote about what she was wearing during her fourth pregnancy. It’s called Getting Dressed Is Kind of Hard Right Now, and that is very relatable. Getting dressed during pregnancy is very hard, no quibbles with that.
Corinne
I was going to pretend that I had just organically stumbled across this article about getting dressed while pregnant, Virginia.
Virginia
How would you?
Corinne
I was going to be like, “I write about clothes… Caroline Chambers, of whom I’m a fan. I own her cookbook.”
Virginia
All true. But I am the one who was like, “Oh, did you see that piece?” Because there were a few comments in it that that made me pause.
Corinne
The comment that made me pause—which I then quickly highlighted and restacked—was Caroline saying, “I think loose dresses like this polo number”—with a link to the dress— “are really cute while pregnant, until your stomach extends past your boobs, and then it starts to look like you’re wearing a circus tent. I’ve reached circus tense status.”
Virginia
And you said, “here to tell you that it is, in fact, cute to wear loose dresses when your stomach extends past your boobs, whether you’re pregnant or not.” Which I support 100 percent.
Corinne
I stand by that.
Virginia
This is just a perfect example of these kinds of comments. When you are a thin person and you gain weight during pregnancy, it’s a disorienting experience. Your body feels very unfamiliar. I mean, everybody’s body feels unfamiliar during pregnancy, but this aspect is disorienting. Suddenly, your shape is more similar to a shape you have been told is not desirable, and so you have to reckon with that. And I don’t want to say what her intention was, but I read this and thought, “She’s saying this, and she doesn’t know what she’s saying.” Caroline Chambers probably hasn’t considered how many people in the world have stomachs that extend past boobs. That’s a pretty common way to have a body regardless of pregnancy status.
Corinne
Yeah, I think it was one of those kind of slightly self-effacing comments that you don’t realize can be hurtful. You think you’re critiquing yourself, but… there’s actually a lot of other people that fall into that category.
Virginia
I think we’re going to see this as a recurring theme. One of the most common ways thin people display their anti-fatness is by saying something critical about themselves, without realizing they’ve just described every fat person’s regular body.
Corinne
I do also want to say that I posted this on the Substack social media, and Caroline Chambers saw it and responded to it and edited the post and was apologetic.
Virginia
Props for that. She wrote, “I’m sorry that this clearly came off in a way I didn’t mean it to. I love your Substack, and I did not mean this to be a global commentary. I’ll do better.”
Yeah, we want people to be doing better. Also, read Big Undies, everyone. Corinne’s Substack is great, and I’m glad Caroline knows that.
Corinne
Yeah, there’s definitely a lot on my Substack about wearing loose clothing.
Virginia
Your recent loose clothing roundup definitely inspired me to do some shopping for big loose clothing. And it’s entirely possible I will be mistaken for pregnant in those outfits, and that’s fine. I will be very cute.
Another high profile one we wanted to chat about is a recent piece by Haley Nahman. The essay is called Making Bad Decisions On Purpose. This one is really interesting because there is anti-fatness in it and there’s a lot that I agree with. And this is another common theme where I think people get it like, 40 percent or 60 percent right, but there’s still that piece they haven’t looked at because they haven’t had to look at it.
Corinne
This one I had complicated feelings about.
The essay was about Haley’s experience eating sugar. She frames it as an almost compulsive relationship with eating sugar. This one was complicated for me, brought up a lot of feelings. Because I think a lot of it is very relatable! But it’s one of those things where she’s talking about her own experience, her own eating habits, and it’s just hard to not extrapolate out into your own experience.
The part that really stuck with me after I read it, and which I had to follow up on, was where she lists out what she’s been eating:
On heavy rotation over the last year: homemade chocolate chip cookies the size of saucers; bags of sour gummy bears or chocolate-filled cookies shaped like panda bears; pints of Häagen-Dazs ice cream finished in two to three sittings; salted brown-butter rice crispy treats
She goes on and on. She’s listing all this stuff as if it’s a lot.
Virginia
It’s like, you should be scandalized that she’s eating.
Corinne
Another thing in there is “chopped up green apples dipped in greek yogurt mixed with peanut butter.” But that’s not a sugar snack.
And then this one thing is driving me freaking nuts. I was like, “a pint of Haagen Dazs finished in two to three sittings?”
Virginia
That’s how long a pint lasts.
Corinne
I went to my freezer. I opened my freezer. I pulled out a pint of Haagen Dazs to see how many servings it contains. It’s two and a half! What the heck? How much ice cream does she think you’re supposed to be eating? A tablespoon? I don’t know. I was just like, what the heck? A pint is two cups.
Virginia
And: Even if you’re finishing a whole pint in one sitting, that’s not necessarily a destructive eating habit. Portions are very personal and different for all of us. She’s just talking about eating ice cream several times a week. The way people do.
This section reminded me a lot of that Caity Weaver essay that was in the New York Times a few months ago, which I wrote about.
I understand that thin people have complicated relationships with food and dieting. understand that they may have internalized diet culture messaging so they think that eating ice cream is bad and that taking three sittings to finish a pint is a problem when it’s not. Like, I get that. And: A fat person could not publish an essay listing out the food they’d eaten without expecting serious blowback.
I couldn’t be in the New York Times telling people that my children ate processed snack food crackers without getting relentless anti-fat commentary. I didn’t even say if I ate them, you know?
There is so much criticism and blowback directed at any fat person acknowledging that we eat sugar or any kind of “junk food.” So for a thin person to wax poetic and lean into listing all the details like you’re going to be so scandalized—that alone is so irritating to me. The reason you could even publish this essay is because you clearly fit the trope of skinny woman who can eat whatever she wants and have no consequences. This is a Loralei Gilmore essay.
Corinne
Another thing that kind of complicates this one is at the end, she talks about how she would like to eat less sugar. And then she says,
But until I feel more capable of adjusting without triggering old (worse) patterns, I’m trying to appreciate what being lax about it has done and is doing for my mind at this time in my life.
So, she’s acknowledging the value of this as a coping skill.
Virginia
That’s the part I liked. She’s talking about being in a really challenging season of early parenthood and needing a lot of sugar as a coping strategy. This is something she’s letting herself have because things are hard. And it’s a great coping strategy for that! Nothing wrong with this.
Obviously, she’s struggling a little bit because she had to write a whole essay articulating why she’s allowed to do that. But, I mean, I publish those types of essays, too, so I get that. I get that. That’s a great use of a newsletter.
I think what this essay really needed, though, was just that added layer of awareness that she can publicly wrestle with her sugar consumption and not experience any criticism for it. People are going to chime in and be supportive and say, “You absolutely deserve that ice cream. You’re working so hard, Mama.” All that kind of stuff.
And she’s not acknowledging that the main reason she’s uncomfortable with how much sugar she’s eating is, as she puts it, “my longer term needs,” which we all know is code for “because I might get fat if I keep eating this way.”
Corinne
That’s another layer that’s missing here. She is sort of saying she wants to eat less sugar but it’s like, why? It’s just because you have absorbed the cultural message is you should eat no sugar.
Virginia
Alright, well, those were the two on the Internet moments we wanted to talk about. Should we now run through some listener submissions?
Corinne
Let’s do it.
Virginia
Some of these are honestly, kind of delightful in their terribleness. I’m excited to read these. We’re going to do it all anonymously. Do you want to read the first one?
Corinne
Yeah.
The best one ever came from my mom, because, of course. “I told your sister, you don’t eat like a fat person.”
Virginia
The passive aggression of “I talked to your sister about you, and now I’ll also tell you that we talked about you?” No thanks. No thanks, Mom, you don’t need that.
All right, this next one—I’ll read it, but I may laugh a lot during it.
My mom once told me I wasn’t as good a driver as my sister, who is thin, because I wasn’t “as athletic.”
I’m so confused. How athletic do you have to be to drive a car?
Corinne
I thought driving was something that fat people could really succeed at.
Virginia
I think body size doesn’t really correlate to driving skill?
Corinne
I agree.
Virginia
I do often feel that not having played enough video games as a child is why I can be a nervous driver. I think if I’d played more video games, I’d be better at driving.
Corinne
I played no video games as a child, and I’m a great driver.
Virginia
You are a great driver. I’ve driven with you. That’s true.
I never really got super solid on left and right. I just have to make the L with my left hand a lot, and I can get real turned around.
Corinne
You don’t have a good sense of direction?
Virginia
Oh, zero sense of direction.
Corinne
That is an athletic ability.
Virginia
I have an instinct to always turn left no matter what. No matter where I’m going, I just turn left. To the point that now if we’re driving somewhere, Jack will just be like, “left turn, left turn.” Because I just always take us to the left. I don’t know why.
Corinne
That’s also the hardest turn.
Virginia
I know! It’s like I’m facing my fear. I don’t know. I hate making left turns. I also do it leaving a hotel room. I always turn left, even if the elevators down to the right. It’s like I can’t keep track of where we are in a building.
It’s okay. I have other other skills. Not athletic skills! But anyway, fat people can be good drivers. Virginia is not one, but it’s not because I’m fat.
Corinne
Okay, here’s the next one.
[CW for violent anti-fat imagery!]
I worked in retail for a bit, and the amount of horrendous things older, thin women would say about their own bodies, completely oblivious to the fact that they were obviously much smaller than me was mind boggling. One woman literally said that she should just shoot herself in the head because she hadn’t yet lost the COVID weight. This was 2021.
But even crazier was I told that story to my two best thin friends with the closing thought of, “I just hope that when I’m in my 60s and beyond, I’m not using any of my energy on worrying about losing weight.” And one of my friends responded, “I’m just focused on making choices right now that will help me be as healthy as I can for as long as I can.” And my other friend said, “Same.” And I thought I had walked into the Twilight Zone.
Virginia
All three of the thin people in this story had no idea of their privilege whatsoever.
Corinne
The thing that really struck me about this was just how incredibly violent it is to say you would shoot yourself in the head because you haven’t lost weight.
Virginia
And specifically, hadn’t lost the COVID weight, when it was 2021 and COVID was still a real big deal. A lot of us still weren’t going a lot of places.
I mean, that is one of those heartbreaking comments that just tells you so much about that person’s struggle. And is a horrifically violent thing to say in front of a fat person. Don’t do that. Don’t suggest that death is better than fatness, because that’s not true.
This one is very cringey. The comment the thin person made is,
I’m sure you could borrow a sweatshirt from (male) partner, if you’re cold. Translation, the male partner’s clothes are adorably oversized on me, so they would definitely fit you. Narrator, they definitely did not fit me.
Corinne
Oh, man, yeah. This one is very relatable. This happened to me in elementary school. I threw up on the bus.
Virginia
Poor Baby Corinne!
Corinne
It was on a field trip. And one of the moms of a very skinny boy was like, “Oh, so and so has an extra pair of pants that you can wear.” And I was like, “Um, those are not going to fit me.” And she was like, “Just try them.” And I was like, “Yeah, they don’t fit.”
I think I was in fourth grade.
Virginia
Oh my God. That is so painful and mortifying on so many levels! Puke on the bus, terrible. You have to wear a boy’s pants, in fourth grade, terrible. You don’t want to have to wear some boy’s pants! That’s traumatizing. And then for them to not fit because, like, I mean, of course not. In fourth grade, all the boys are tiny. No, you’re not going to be able to wear Kevin’s pants.
This is super obnoxious, and it’s such an easy fix, too. Just say, “Do you want to try this sweatshirt?” Instead of saying it definitively, like I have the answer to your problem. Why would you, you’re not this person’s body. You don’t have this context. Ask a question. Ask how you can help instead.
Corinne
Well, and the assumption that of course you’d be smaller than a man.
Virginia
No, obviously, yes. Men are enormous, don’t you know? It’s real cool. I’ve written about the whole mixed weight relationship nonsense. Many women are larger than the men we are with. That is true.
Corinne
Okay, here’s the next one:
I’ve noticed that almost all women only compliment my hair now, the color, the cut, et cetera. I guess because it’s still my appearance, but not my body or clothing, so it feels like a safe zone. The funny thing is that I have gone full pandemic mode recently, and haven’t had my hair cut or colored in nine months. It looks fine, but it certainly isn’t the best it has ever looked.
Virginia
I mean, I kind of love that, and I feel like, take the compliment! But also, yes, this is under the general heading of “You have such a pretty face!” which is a very common way that fat people get compliments. People pick out the one or two details about you that they can decouple from your fatness. And they do this as if you wouldn’t know that’s what they were doing. We all know!
Have you had this one happen?
Corinne
I can’t say I’ve noticed it. I mean, this person says, “All women only compliment my hair now.” So it sounds like maybe their body has changed. And I was thinking sometimes this kind of feels like someone is saying, “I noticed something, and I know I can’t say it.” You know what I mean?
Like, they want to say “Your body has changed,” so instead they say, "You cut your hair!”
Virginia
How about just don’t comment on people’s bodies, guys? That’s another tip for thin folks. Or give genuine compliments. Also, you can compliment people who are fat. You don’t have to look for the one thing about them that doesn’t remind you of their fatness. You could just give them a compliment like, “you look really good today!” You don’t have to say anything else after that.
All right. Next up:
That thing of adding a physical descriptor of someone’s body when it’s not needed to tell the story, especially when complaining about someone and then mentioning the size of their body or weight when it’s not relevant, as if that further proves how annoying or awful the person is.
This is also something white people of a certain demographic tend to do about race or sexuality. You know, like, when it’s like, “that Black nurse” or like “I was at the dentist and the receptionist, who’s really gotten fat, said….” People feel the need to include marginalizing details when you don’t need that information to understand the story because now they’re just going to tell you something that has nothing to do with their body size.
Corinne
When I first read this one, I was like, I don’t know if I’ve heard that. But when you said that about people mentioning race, I can kind of imagine what you’re talking about.
Virginia
Often people think they’re being inclusive? And it is true, we don’t want to be colorblind or ignore people’s size. It’s fine to acknowledge people’s identities. But when you’re inserting their identity in a story that’s negative about them, you’re inserting it because you want to emphasize that this is why they were sloppy or lazy, or any other stereotypical trait that you link to fatness.
It’s bad. Don’t do it. Be better. That’s my take on that one.
Corinne
Okay.
When bathing suit shopping with my mom and sister, without fail she’ll show me cute one pieces and she’ll always show my sister who is thin cute two pieces.
Virginia
Nope.
Corinne
To make a point, when she holds up the skimpiest bikini, I’ll reach for it and say, “That’s my style. Wow, so cute.”
Virginia
Perfect response. I also want to note that all these mom/sister stories are from different people. This isn’t one person repeating anecdotes. The mom/sister dynamic is not okay! And, yeah, buy the two piece, obviously, if you want to wear a two piece. Because they are more practical to go to the bathroom in. You are allowed to, regardless of body size.
The condescending, chirpy, “good for you!” if I mentioned something about my habits or routine that they perceive as a diet.
I mean, you’ve had this when you’ve been congratulated for being at the gym.
Corinne
That’s exactly what I was thinking about. The first time I ever went to a gym, when someone said, “good for you. I see you here all the time.”
Virginia
Also, to be clear, the first time you went to that gym. It wasn’t your first time going to the gym. You probably could have bench pressed that man, and he was thinking you’d just shown up to take your first brave steps.
Corinne
No, I had just shown up and he was congratulating me on having been there.
Virginia
Oh, yeah. That was even weirder, because it was like, all fat people look alike.
Corinne
He was like, “good for you. I see you here all the time.” And I was like, you’ve definitely never seen me here before. He was like, “you’re putting in the work.” And I was like, I’m not putting in the work that you think I am.
Virginia
This is why I don’t work out in public spaces. I don’t need to deal with this shit.
Corinne
Well, I work out in public spaces three times a week for almost the past three years, and it’s only happened to me once.
Virginia
I’m glad to hear that, but I can understand why people are ambivalent about doing that.
Corinne
The smugness of assuming their bodies are a pure result of all their lifestyle choices, rather than genetics or other factors, and therefore, if other people just did the same work, they would look the same.
I would love the phrase “it’s all about moderation” to be forever retired.
Virginia
As someone who has had so many men on the Internet explain calories in, calories out to me in response to all of my work, even when it has nothing to do with calories, I co-sign this one completely.
Corinne
I had really never thought much about the phrase “It’s all about moderation” before.
Virginia
I think it’s a pretty toxic phrase. I think it’s heavily coded with, “you’re not going to eat the pint of Haagen Dazs in two sittings.” There’s a lot of implied restriction in “it’s all about moderation.”
Corinne
You’re allowed to do that now, as long as you’re not always doing that.
Virginia
Right. It very quickly becomes, “you can do it this one time.” You can have a cheat day.
Corinne
That’s what I’m saying.
Virginia
I also see this happening when thin people are undertaking a project of weight loss. They’re getting really excited about their new lifestyle habits. Or if they’re doing Ozempic, or whatever they’re doing. And they often want to frame this new weight loss intervention as the reason why they’re feeling so good, their energy is so high, etc.
It makes sense, because we’re taught that weight and lifestyle is the total explanation for any health issue you could ever have. But it’s so problematic to take credit for health and say it’s because of your lifestyle habits without acknowledging all of these other factors that contribute to health. Just because you’re eating an avocado a day or something does not mean that someone else could do that and would have the same amazing health results that you’re having.
Corinne
True, very true.
Virginia
All right, I’ll read the next one.
I’m a flight attendant, and while we no longer have weight requirements, we are still required to fit into the jump seat seat belt, which can vary quite a bit in length, similar to passenger seat belts. Some of the seat belts I have to put on the loosest setting they can go. One time, I was working with someone who was probably half my size, and she was on the jump seat next to me. We buckled in for landing, and she couldn’t stop talking about how big she was and how much weight she needed to lose after I actively made my seat belt as loose as it could go in front of her. I really wanted to say something to her, and I chose not to, but I still think about the ridiculousness sometimes.
This makes me want to do a whole piece on flight attendants. I have so many questions!
Corinne
Yeah, all I can think about reading this is how horrible it would be to be a fat flight attendant. For so many reasons.
Virginia
But the more relatable part of the narrative is the thin person talking about how she needs to lose weight right in front of you. And even if you haven’t had to do something like adjust a seat belt, you’re sitting there in your bigger body. You’re just sitting there being bigger, and they’re saying how they need to be smaller. Like, what? How do they not hear it? How do they not hear it?
Corinne
Okay, here’s the last one:
A friend who was an extra extra small wanted to go shopping in New York City. I was dreading it, but had no real good reason to say no. We went to H&M, and she’s like, they do have some bigger sizes, too. Size 16 was where they maxed out. Size 16 was not even remotely close to fitting me. She’s a lovely person, but the absolute cluelessness about it struck me hard.
Corinne
Oh, that’s so real. I feel like I’ve had people recommend brands to me, and they go to, like, an XXL. And I’m like, “Baby…”
Virginia
This is something I will take the note on, too. I think even those of us on the smaller end of the fat spectrum need to be mindful of this. Because there are a lot of brands that fit me, and then when I go to check, they go up to a 3x but it’s not a particularly generous 3x and a lot of people are bigger than a 3x. So anyone who has shopping privilege of any kind needs to be really careful about this one.
I just hate that this person’s friend was like, “let’s go shopping!” and just didn’t even think about it. And the way she’s like, “They do have some bigger sizes.” Like you hadn’t thought to check. You were just assuming your friend would want to come along and watch you shop. Like, what? That’s terrible.
Corinne
I do feel like there’s a thing where a thin person thinks they’re being flattering by being like, “This size 16 would fit you.” You know?
Virginia
Oh, I don’t like that at all. No, thank you.
All right, we’re going to end with two really nice stories that people sent in, just because we’ve got to bring it up a little and not end too dark.
So the first one is
A random man was sitting on the side of the road and shouted after me, “fat, pretty lady running for the bus!” And you know what? Hell yeah, accurate on all counts.
Corinne
That’s cute. I don’t want to be yelled at either way, but.
Virginia
No. I mean, to be fair, it’s also fine if you interpreted that as extremely aggressive. But I can understand with the right delivery, and if you’re in the right mood, it’s like yeah! that’s what I’m doing! Great. Thanks for noticing. So that’s cute.
Corinne
Okay, the next one is:
A skinny salesperson at the high end plus size boutique Marina Rinaldi, when a pair of pants didn’t fit, said, those pants don’t deserve you and whisked them away as if to the guillotine to find another size. It wasn’t that deep for me, but I still find this so funny. And say it all the time, a subpar margarita does not deserve me, etc.
Virginia
I mean, I’m definitely adopting this phrase.
Corinne
Yeah, love that.
Virginia
That’s great. Those pants don’t deserve you.
Corinne
Great salesperson.
Virginia
Perfect response. Also filing it away for talking to my kids about when they’re outgrowing clothing sizes, or if we order something that doesn’t fit. Like, what a good way to talk to a teen or a tween about clothing sizes. Like, they don’t deserve you. So that’s really cute.
Butter
Virginia
My Butter is an update on the chickens! We finally finished building the chicken coop, and they moved into their coop this weekend. So they’re off my back porch, which is great. If you’re following along on the chicken saga. They were first living in a closet of my house in a Tupperware container, and then they got too big for that, so they moved to a dog crate on my back porch, which was good, but extremely messy.
And now they’re out in my yard in this very cute chicken coop.
Corinne
Wow, that’s awesome.
Virginia
It’s super exciting. The kids are jazzed. They’re chickening around eating. I’m hoping they’re going to eat every tick that comes into my yard. We’re having a horrendous tick season. So I really want them to earn their keep that way. And then in September, we should start getting eggs.
Corinne
That’s awesome.
Virginia
Also, when I say we built the coop, Jack built the coop. I did nothing. I did paint some of the coop. And I picked out the color palette. It’s very adorable.
Corinne
That sounds great. My Butter is Fat Swim because it happened this weekend and it was really fun.
Virginia
It looked magical in the photos you posted. You wrote about it on Big Undies. I really want to come to Fat Swim one year.
Corinne
I think you should organize one!
Virginia
I know, should we?
There is a pool in the next town. My town does not have a town pool.
Corinne
But there’s Swimply, or go to the river. Or, you have a little pool!
Virginia
It’s little, though, and we wouldn’t be able to have a lot of people. I could have a mini fat swim? That would be really fun. It just looked great. And yeah, and you said like, what? 40 people came?
Corinne
Yeah, more than 40.
Virginia
That’s awesome. And were they people you knew, or just people who came?
Corinne
A mix. At this point, there are people I recognize from having done it the past two years that I don’t see anywhere else. And then, yeah, also some friends, and also some new people.
Virginia
Aww, I love that, because it’s creating a community opportunity for people who maybe need that.
Corinne
That’s kind of the whole point.
Virginia
That is a really good Butter. I hope that the summer involves lots of swimming and chickens for everybody.
Corinne
Me too.