The Traditionalist Movement, 1964-Present: Episode 1, The Outsiders
Jul 24, 2021
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The podcast discusses the Traditionalist movement in the Catholic Church from its beginnings in the 1960s to the present day. Topics include the origins of the movement, changes to the Mass and the Interim Missile, the shift in Catholic Church liturgy, the emergence of the New Right, and changes in the Church following the Second Vatican Council.
The traditionalist movement in the Catholic Church emerged as a response to the changes introduced by the Second Vatican Council, particularly in the liturgy, and was led by laymen who were attracted to the old Mass and ancient traditions of the Church.
The liturgical changes introduced after the Second Vatican Council were driven by a desire to make the liturgy more accessible and relevant to modern people, as well as a focus on ecumenism, but sparked debates regarding their consistency with historical tradition and potential alteration of the faith.
Deep dives
The Background of the Traditionalist Movement
The podcast episode discusses the background of the traditionalist movement in the Catholic Church, which emerged in response to the changes introduced by the Second Vatican Council, particularly in the liturgy. The episode highlights that many early leaders of the movement were laymen, including aristocrats, artists, and writers, who were attracted to the old Mass and felt a connection to the ancient traditions of the Church. The episode also mentions the influence of political factors, such as a desire for a more culturally conservative and socially stable society, which played a role in some individuals' embrace of traditionalism. Additionally, the episode touches on the international reach of the movement, the distinction between traditionalists and 'trads,' and the existence of reputable organizations within the movement.
Reasons Behind the Liturgical Changes
This section explores the motivations behind the liturgical changes introduced by Pope Paul VI and the Consilium after the Second Vatican Council. The episode explores two primary reasons for the changes: a desire to adapt the liturgy to be more accessible and relevant to modern people, and a focus on ecumenism, aiming to make the liturgy more acceptable to non-Catholics. The episode also acknowledges that while some changes were intended by the Council, others went beyond its directives. It highlights the debates surrounding the new liturgy, including questions of its consistency with historical tradition and concerns about potential alteration of the faith.
Early Leaders and Characteristics of the Movement
This section discusses the early leaders of the traditionalist movement, indicating that many of them were laymen, particularly outside of France. The episode highlights that some of these leaders came from aristocratic backgrounds and were attracted to the traditional liturgy due to its cultural significance and historical connection. It also mentions that artists, writers, and converts played significant roles in the movement. The episode points out that while some critics accused the traditionalists of being elitist or nostalgic for a bygone era, others recognized their genuine concerns about the changes implemented after Vatican II.
The Significance of the Old Roman Rite
This section emphasizes the significance of the old Roman rite and its preservation within the traditionalist movement. The episode highlights that the rite is believed to be ancient and rooted in apostolic tradition, making it a link to the early Church. The hosts note that traditionalists view the preservation of the old rite as crucial to maintaining the church's connection to its historical foundations and as a vital element of Catholic tradition. The tension arises from the perceived clash between the obligation to uphold tradition and the decision to suppress the old rite.
This episode is the first in a new series on the Traditionalist movement in the Catholic Church, from its beginnings in the 1960s to the present day. In light of recent events, we discuss who and what the traditionalist movement is in the present day, discuss how it was born out of the turmoil following the Second Vatican Council, and take a look at the early leadership of the movement.
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