The one with the DAF CX – Dr. Liz Okuma E243

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When you think “endowment foundation,” customer experience probably isn’t the first thing that comes to mind. Yet Dr. Liz Okuma, Director of Client Experience at the American Endowment Foundation, is reshaping how donor advised funds deliver trust, responsiveness, and ease… even when nearly all interactions happen without ever seeing a client face to face. This conversation reveals how listening, collaboration, and design thinking translate into real business impact.

5 Insights From the Episode
-DAFs are booming… and CX is becoming a differentiator
-Two customer groups, one experience mission
-Internal listening is gold
-Journey mapping unlocked cross-functional momentum
-Culture changes when employees own CX

CHAPTERS
00:00 What is a donor advised fund… and why CX matters
02:50 Serving donors vs. serving financial advisors
05:30 Looking out the window… not the mirror
07:54 Listening to frontline teams
09:33 Making best in class tangible
11:05 Journey mapping and quick wins
13:24 Cutting a process from 3.5 months to six weeks
15:58 Measuring what matters
17:10 First Class Lounge
21:56 Getting non-client-facing teams invested in CX
24:29 The power of stories and internal visibility
26:53 Cross-functional influence in action
29:33 Where to find Liz

Guest Links
AEF Website: https://www.aef.org/
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/liz-okuma/

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