
 The Lawfare Podcast
 The Lawfare Podcast Lawfare Daily: A Giant and Unexpected Prisoner Swap
 Aug 2, 2024 
 Evan Gershkovich, a Wall Street Journal journalist recently freed in a prisoner swap, joins Paul Whelan, a long-time detainee, along with Washington Post's Shane Harris and technology policy expert Eugenia Lostri. They delve into the intricate motivations behind the swap between the U.S. and Russia, discussing the implications for international relations. The group also reflects on the personal commitment involved in these negotiations and the emotional toll on families, especially with President Biden’s active role in securing the release. 
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 Intro 
 00:00 • 3min 
 Intricacies of International Prisoner Swaps 
 03:03 • 20min 
 The Contrast of Russian Operatives: Aggression and Cybersecurity 
 23:05 • 3min 
 Prisoner Swap: Cyber Criminals and Diplomacy 
 25:41 • 14min 
 The Personal Touch in Hostage Negotiations 
 40:10 • 5min 
 The Emotional Landscape of Hostage Negotiations 
 44:47 • 3min 

