Anne Murphy, economic historian and former trader, discusses the Bank of England's role in Britain's power. The podcast explores the history of interest rates, the challenges faced by small businesses in accessing credit, and the need for a return to community banking. It also delves into the concept of interest as the time value of money and explores ancient Babylonian debt contracts. The debate on interest rates, the role of central banks, and the importance of capitalizing banks are also discussed.
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The podcast explores the evolution of banking and the need for ethical practices to regain public trust.
The discussion highlights the impact of low interest rates on economic inequality and the need for proportionate regulations based on bank size.
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The History and Uncertainty of Banking
The podcast explores the long history of interest and banking, highlighting its origins in the 18th century Bank of England. The episode discusses the uncertainty in the current financial world, where interest rates are up and inflation is high. The guests debate the need for honest ethics and morals in the banking system, advocating for a return to old-fashioned banking run by the people. They also examine how the banking system has evolved over time, addressing the challenges faced by the Bank of England in the 18th century and the impact of low interest rates today.
The Day in the Life of the 18th Century Bank of England
The podcast delves into the book 'Virtuous Bankers' by Anne Murphy, which provides a detailed account of a single day in 1783, the end of the American War of Independence. The inspection of the Bank of England reveals the rigorous work of clerks and the design of the bank itself, which aimed to convey transparency and accountability. The episode explores the importance of trust between the government, lenders, and borrowers and the role of the Bank of England as a mediator in that relationship. It also touches on the inherent problems in the banking system and the undercurrents of xenophobia and anti-Semitism in the industry.
The Role and Impact of Interest Rates
The podcast explores the concept of interest rates and their implications throughout history. It emphasizes how interest rates coordinate present and future economic and financial activities. The discussion highlights the impact of low interest rates on economic inequality, where the rich often benefit while the poor struggle. The guests debate the relationship between interest rates and risk regulation, drawing attention to the need for proportionate regulations based on the size of banks. They also discuss the distortions caused by very low interest rates and the potential consequences for the financial system.
Challenges and Solutions in Modern Banking
The podcast features a discussion on the challenges and shortcomings of modern banking. It criticizes the lack of accountability and the prevalence of 'too big to fail' banks that rely on taxpayer bailouts. The guests advocate for change and highlight the importance of community banks run by the people for the benefit of the community. They discuss the need for local banking services, the relevance of human judgment in lending decisions, and the drawbacks of relying solely on technology and computer-generated criteria. The episode also addresses the problems associated with payday loans and the role of regulation and legislation in creating a fair and ethical banking system.
The economic historian and former trader Anne Murphy looks back at the Bank of England in the 18th century. In Virtuous Bankers she shows how a private institution became ‘a great engine of state’ and central to Britain’s economic and geopolitical power. Anne Murphy tells Adam Rutherford that both its inner workings and outer structure had to command the respect of the general public.
Interest was a fact of life long before the involvement of central banks and goes back as far as ancient Mesopotamia. In Price of Time the financial historian and Reuters’ commentator Edward Chancellor explores its long history and warns of the financial instability caused by years of low interest rates. Far from benefitting the majority of individuals, the ultra-low rates following the banking crash in 2008 have proved a boon for bankers, financiers and corporate stakeholders.
After the crash, the businessman David Fishwick was concerned that few people or small businesses in his home town of Burnley could get access to credit. His challenge to the traditional high street banks was to set up his own banking enterprise which became Burnley Savings and Loans – a story told in a Channel 4 series and the film Bank of Dave (on Netflix). He argues for a return to banking as a means to serve and grow the local economy.
Producer: Katy Hickman
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