

John Vervaeke & Jonathan Pageau - Fellowship in the Spirit
May 29, 2025
In this engaging conversation, John Vervaeke, a leading cognitive scientist, and Jonathan Pageau, a symbolist artist, dive deep into the essence of Spirit and the power of fellowship. They explore the interplay between relationality and community, challenging modern dualities. The duo discusses traditional views of spirits while examining the rich cultural impact of sports on community identity, as evidenced by the Chicago Bulls. They also reflect on the significance of real-world connections in our digital age, advocating for authentic human interactions.
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Ontology of Community as Being
- Community is ontologically fundamental, with relations and relata co-emerging.
- Fellowship embodies this ontological reality, not just a social or cultural aspect.
Union of One and Many
- Being is a union of transcendent and immanent aspects, like lovers in synergy.
- Dualities often mask hierarchies where one term dominates the other.
Breaking Modern Dichotomies
- Modern dichotomies such as mind/body and fact/value are deconstructed, limiting understanding of spirit.
- Transjectivity between perception and projection blurs lines of subjectivity in spiritual experience.