Joan Baez, the iconic folk singer and activist, reflects on her transformative relationship with Bob Dylan, which inspired the legendary song ‘Diamonds and Rust’. Music writer Kevin EG Perry reveals the song's backstory, while Judy Collins reminisces about their performances together and the Newport Folk Festival. Classicist Edith Hall shares how the song helped her through a tough divorce, connecting its themes of nostalgia and loss to personal experiences. This heartfelt conversation celebrates music's power to evoke memories and healing.
Joan Baez's 'Diamonds and Rust' exemplifies the bittersweet essence of love, interweaving cherished memories with painful past experiences shaped by time.
The podcast highlights how Baez and Dylan's tumultuous relationship influenced their creative paths, ultimately illustrating the complex interplay of identity and fame in their lives.
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The Story Behind 'Diamonds and Rust'
Joan Baez's song 'Diamonds and Rust' is inspired by a phone call she received from Bob Dylan, prompting deep reflections on their past relationship. The lyrics reveal the bittersweet nature of love, illustrating how memories can evoke both cherished moments ('diamonds') and painful experiences ('rust'). The contrasting emotions encapsulate the journey of seeing a significant relationship through a new lens years later, emphasizing the transformative power of time. Baez recalls their early days when they supported each other in their music careers, adding layers to the emotional narrative of their shared history.
The Rise and Fall of Their Relationship
Baez and Dylan's connection blossomed during the early 1960s as they gained prominence in the folk music scene, with Baez introducing Dylan to larger audiences. Their romantic involvement soon fell apart as Dylan's fame skyrocketed, leading to a shift in dynamics; Baez was once the star, but he quickly eclipsed her as he transitioned to rock music. The podcast details an essential moment at the Newport Folk Festival, where Dylan's electric performance heralded a change for both artists, marking the end of their personal relationship. The breakup brought forth a sense of loss for Baez, who felt overshadowed by Dylan's rapid ascension and struggled to navigate her own identity afterward.
Reflecting on Love and Life Lessons
The song serves as a powerful metaphor for life's dualities, where beauty and pain coexist in memories, resonating with listeners' personal experiences. Contributions from other artists highlight the song's universal themes of nostalgia, emotional growth, and acceptance of the past, signifying that both joy ('diamonds') and sorrow ('rust') shape individual journeys. Baez's narrative reflects a philosophical acceptance of life's imperfections, acknowledging that past relationships contribute to who we become. The rich tapestry of memories emphasizes that while certain experiences may hurt, they ultimately nourish our growth and understanding.
“Well, I'll be damned,
Here comes your ghost again…”
Joan Baez, also known as the "Queen of Folk", is halfway through writing a song one day when she gets a call from Bob Dylan. It’s 1974; almost 10 years after their relationship ended. The song went on to become the iconic ‘Diamonds and Rust’, an outpouring of memories from their time together in the early sixties.
Music writer Kevin EG Perry tells the story behind Baez and Dylan’s relationship, how they shaped each other’s worlds, and how this song came into being a decade later. Folk legend Judy Collins, also a good friend of Joan Baez, shares old memories of Newport Folk Festival alongside more recent memories of performing ‘Diamonds and Rust’ with Baez at her 80th birthday. And we hear from people whose lives have been touched by the song. Classicist Edith Hall listened to ‘Diamonds and Rust’ on repeat when she ended her first marriage, on the night that the Berlin Wall fell. And writer John Stewart looks back on a heady relationship from his early twenties, which was always bound up with the lyrics of this song. Decades later, this formative time in his life continues to resonate with diamonds, rust, and gratitude.
Producer: Becky Ripley
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