

Bonus: Ezra Klein Talks to Obama About How America Went From ‘Yes We Can’ to ‘MAGA’
Jun 5, 2021
Former President Barack Obama joins the conversation, reflecting on his presidency's challenges and insights. He discusses the stark shift in American political discourse and the polarization fueled by media. Obama shares lessons from the Affordable Care Act, emphasizing the importance of clear communication in policy-making. The talk touches on the complexities of modern leadership and the need for empathy in navigating differences. He also suggests three impactful books that shaped his thinking—delving into themes of human connection and social justice.
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Empathetic Persuasion
- Understand others' worldviews before expecting them to understand yours.
- This approach builds trust and allows for more effective persuasion.
Strategic Truth-Telling
- Obama acknowledges sometimes avoiding calling out wrong arguments for political expediency.
- He prioritizes policy achievements like healthcare over publicly labeling opponents racist.
Paradox of Progress
- Obama's presidency demonstrates a paradox: his success also fueled a backlash.
- This historical pattern of progress and pushback highlights the ongoing struggle for social change.