Thomas Frank, a journalist, historian, and author renowned for his insights on American politics, joins to unravel the complexities of populism. He delves into its evolution from a grassroots movement to a misunderstood term. The discussion covers the scripted nature of modern political conventions, contrasting excitement with ritual. Frank also examines the skewed media portrayal of political figures and the surprising support for Trump among union members, highlighting the disconnect between elite narratives and everyday voter sentiments.