Are we responsible for keeping poor people poor? Sean Illing is joined by Matt Desmond, a sociology professor at Princeton University and the author of the books Evicted: Poverty and Profit in the American City and Poverty, by America. They discuss why most Americans are unaware of their privilege and how their choices perpetuate poverty. They also discuss the power and hope that can come from bringing awareness to these choices and why abolishing poverty is possible.

Host: Sean Illing (@seanilling), host, The Gray Area

Guest: Matthew Desmond, Sociology professor, and author of Poverty, by America

References: 

• Poverty, by America by Matthew Desmond (Penguin Random House, 2023)
• Evicted: Poverty And Profit In The American City by Matthew Desmond (Penguin Random House, 2017)
• “Why even brilliant scholars misunderstand poverty in America” by Dylan Matthews (Vox, Mar. 2023) 

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