Charlene Prempeh is the founder of A Vibe Called Tech, a creative agency that approaches creativity through an intersectional lens. She's also a writer - her first book Now You See Me: An Introduction to 100 Years of Black Design was published last year and she's also a contributing editor at the Financial Times.

In our conversation, we discuss Charlene's career path, the non linear careers and lives, and how they're completely valid and often extremely rich and varied. We discuss the importance of storytelling and doing it authentically, and how brands can show up for creatives of all sorts to enable their flourishing. And of course, in our conversation we also cover art - one of Charlene's enduring passions.

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