Ruby talks to Layla F. Saad, author of NY Times best-seller Me And White Supremacy—a step-by-step reflection process for people with white privilege to examine their racist thoughts and behaviors, and their participation in white supremacy.

In the words of Glennon Doyle, Layla's work is "personal, practical, reflective, applicable, difficult, effective, and imperative"—and her new book is a vital "sobering up" to the realities of our racist society.

In this episode we discuss:

-The true definition and impact of White Supremacy.

-White people’s addiction to privilege and the comfort + safety it brings.

-Anti-racism work as part of our collective transformational process.

-The importance of having an experienced mentor when doing deep personal work.

-Racism as a negation and abasement of our full humanity.

-Prioritizing living your values over your comfort—and living with integrity.

-Not looking for rewards or expecting a feel-good payoff in our anti-racism work.

-Giving up our sensitivity to the suffering of people of color in exchange for our white privilege.

-Resisting discomfort as a way of preventing and blocking change.

-The importance and value of making mistakes as we un-brainwash ourselves.

-Being a “good ancestor” and the legacy we are leaving with our actions for future generations.

You can learn more about Layla and her work at Laylafsaad.com, follow her on Instagram @laylafsaad, and subscribe to her Good Ancestor podcast. You can get your copy of Me And White Supremacy HERE.

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