Prof.  Deen Sanders OAM is a Worimi man who has wandered the intrepid space  between Western systems of corporate life, law, academia, psychology  and government; and the Indigenous culture and knowledge systems that  shape his relationship with the world.

Brother  Deen always has a nuanced analysis of wicked problems, to which he  applies an Indigenous complexity lens and a mastery of many disciplines.  We point that weapon today at disinformation and bad faith discourse,  which have migrated from the digital world and into our lives. Parts of  this interview also appear in another podcast I do called Disconnect, a  show about Indigenous engagement with IT.