The podcast explores the dominance of narratives in modern conversations, the challenges and importance of narrative in historical writing, military exercises during the American Revolution, historical fiction writing impact on understanding history, language of the past in understanding historical events, and explores Athens and Sparta relationships in ancient Greece.
Narratives are deeply ingrained in human biology and often cause conflicts in historical understanding.
Historians face challenges due to limited and biased historical sources, requiring speculative narrative reconstruction.
Historical fiction provides freedom to speculate, enhancing narrative coherence and effective communication of complex historical events.
Deep dives
The Significance of Narrative in History
Narrative plays a crucial role in shaping how history is understood, with narratives being seen as a cause of conflict and deeply ingrained in human biology. The episode emphasizes how historians grasp narrative, with examples highlighting different approaches to historical narration, such as thematic and biographical accounts. The discussion explores the necessity of narratives in understanding events, individuals, and societies by delving into the practical and human aspects of historical storytelling.
Challenges of Historical Documentation and Interpretation
The podcast sheds light on the challenges historians face due to limited and biased historical sources, particularly prevalent in ancient and military history. The conversation highlights the gaps in historical records, leading to speculation and the necessity of bridging those gaps through narrative reconstruction. The critical assessment of ancient sources like Caesar's Gallic Wars reveals the selective nature of historical documentation, necessitating speculative fill-ins to create a comprehensive narrative.
Evolution of Historical Fiction and Scholarly Writing
The podcast delves into the dynamic relationship between historical fiction and scholarly historical writing, explored through the author's experiences in penning both nonfiction and fictional works. It details how crafting historical fiction provides the freedom to speculate and fill gaps in historical knowledge, offering insights not constrained by strict evidence-based accounts. The episode underscores the importance of narrative coherence and structure in historical writing, reflecting on how engaging in fictional storytelling enhances the historian's ability to communicate complex historical narratives effectively.
The Controversy of Historical Fiction and Narrative
The podcast delves into the controversies surrounding historical fiction and narrative, highlighting the challenges of balancing fiction rooted in facts. Critics argue that historical fiction poses a conflict between portraying a truth grounded in reality and the inherent contradictions of the genre. The discussion raises parallels between critiques of historical fiction and narrative and the challenges in accurately capturing the inner lives of historical figures. The speaker emphasizes the value of historical novels in providing a quicker and more immersive understanding of the past, emphasizing the importance of blending research and storytelling to convey historical events effectively.
Understanding the Strangeness of the Past
The episode addresses the common perception that historical fiction fails to capture the true essence and uniqueness of the past. By drawing parallels between modern societal changes and historical contexts, the discussion underscores the evolving nature of human experiences across time. The speaker challenges the notion that the past is a completely foreign entity by highlighting the shared human elements present throughout history. Through exploring various historical periods and human interactions, the episode underscores the enriching potential of revisiting and reimagining different epochs to gain insights into the complexities of human existence.
As you might have noticed, the world is awash in narratives. You hear people talk about “establishing the narrative”, or noting that “in the last 24 hours the narrative has changed.” We don’t talk about facts any more, we talk about narratives.
And more than that. Narratives are, many have decided, cause conflict. They enable genocide, and wars. They are also embedded into our biology–”hardwired”, to use a word popular with neurobiological enthusiasts– due to evolutionary developments, and so by narrative we shall always be afflicted.
With me today to discuss narrative is Adrian Goldsworthy, who has committed numerous acts of narrative in both history and fiction. He was last on the podcast in Episode 332 to discuss the tangled history of Rome and Persia, which he wrote about in his most recent book Rome and Persia: The Seven Hundred Year Rivalry. This is his fifth appearance on the podcast.
I should add that this episode was first dropped to our subscribers on Patreon, the members of Historically Thinking’s Common Room; and that if you were a member of the Common Room, you would have already heard it.
For Further Investigation
Adrian Goldsworthy has previously been on the podcast in the following episodes, and discussing these topics: Episode 63, on Julius Caesar as a historian; Episode 75, on Hadrian's wall; Episode 182, on Philip Macedonia and his spoiled-brat son; and finally the aforementioned Episode 332 on Rome v. Persia.
We've discussed the problematic nature of narrative in Episode 243 with Jonathan Gottschall, the author of The Story Paradox: How Our Love of Storytelling Builds Societies and Tears Them Down. WARNING: he is not as keen on narrative as Adrian.
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