
Deep Talks with Paul Anleitner Jordan Hall & Rafe Kelley | Neo-Gnostic Escape or Living in The Way?
Oct 21, 2025
Jordan Hall, a thinker addressing civilization's challenges, and Rafe Kelley, a coach focused on physical culture, engage in a thought-provoking discussion. They explore the 'source code' problem affecting societal dynamics and emphasize the distinction between scarcity and abundance. Rafe reflects on the impact of Christianity on his personal life and the importance of embodied practices. Together, they critique neo-Gnostic escapism, advocate for renewed engagement with the world, and stress the significance of living authentically in the 'Way' to foster true transformation.
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Scarcity Mindset Outlived Its Usefulness
- Civilization solved scarcity but kept a scarcity mindset that now harms us.
- Jordan Hall argues we must shift from rivalrous tools to anti-rivalrous collective intelligence.
Anti-Rivalry Changes Coordination
- Rivalrous goods (like apples) drive zero-sum competition while anti-rivalrous goods (like the gospel) scale with sharing.
- Hall says institutions must learn to privilege anti-rivalrous coordination to flourish in abundance.
Design For Collective Intelligence
- Build new forms of collective intelligence using networks, AI, and cultural practices.
- Aim systems at shared sensing and execution rather than hoarding scarce artifacts.








